About those who think the government is going to take their guns...

[krispos42]

23. That is Feinstein's proposal, which is not what I was directly discussing.

And you cannot logically or reasonably separate AR and AK style guns and leave other semiautos fed from detachable magazines alone.


If the concern is rate of fire, then semi-autos fed from detachable magazines as a class have to be either banned or turned into Title 2 firearms, same as machine guns.

The fact that Feinstein's proposal bans only AK and AR type guns as a class but permits other semiautos fed from detachable magazines (as long as they don't have pistol grips!) is clear evidence of pandering.


And what happens when pump-action or lever-action rifles that use AR-15 and AK-47 magazines become popular? Bear in mind that lever-action and pump-action guns are not much slower than semiautos for aimed fire. What is the cut-off of rate of fire?

One aimed shot per second? Per 2 seconds? Would this arbitrary restriction lowered the body count at ANY mass shooting?

The "ban" is designed to fail. Why? I think it's because, despite the fact that the AR-15s and AK-47s of the US are only used to murder between 200 and 300 people a year, they are the preferred purchase of a small number of "anti-government" types... survivalists that have dog-eared and highlighted copies of "The Turner Diaries" and that stockpile ammo and MREs and army manuals on booby traps. People that listen to too much RW radio and read too much stormfront and such.

Now, such purchasing is actually reasonable, in that the rifles, accessories, and ammunition are quite common. It would make little sense for a person to stock up on uncommon guns with difficult-to-find ammunition, right? In the zombie apocalypse, a rifle in 7mm Mauser would not be as easy to find ammo for as a .308. And a pistol in 10mm Auto would be harder to keep supplied than a .40 S&W.

Of course, most AR and AK purchasers are not sitting in a bunker and reading "Soldier of Fortune", but that's not really important, I guess. Feinstein and Schumer and other people see themselves as somehow "taking them on". And the Newtown massacre is giving them a chance to divert attention from about a half-dozen issues that would really help America and Americans.

Of course the proposed AWB will have no effect on gun crime or gun violence. We all know that. But I can guarantee you that Feinstein and Schumer and others will be begging for your vote and your money and your time in 2014 because they "took on the gun lobby" and passed a law that irritated gun owners and the NRA!

It drives me up the wall that the same people that lacked the stones to take on the big banks, the big insurance companies, the health-care industry, the prison industry, the military-industrial complex, or the pharmaceutical industry (and by extension the War on Drugs), are now going full-bore for a useless law so they have an accomplishment in 2014 to drum up funding and support.

Of course, the fuckers ran like lemmings from the ACA in 2010, didn't they? One half-assed attempt to improve things, and they ran from it like a vampire from a pizza place.