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baldguy

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377. I'm not suprised that you can't provide supporting documentation for your misguided ideas.

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:13 AM

Feb 2013

Because there aren't any.

I can show you all the unbiased, peer-reviewed & validated studies about canine behavior. What they do not show is Pit Bulls as supernatural beings who mutate their bodies at will, outsmart human beings, attack indiscriminately without warning or provocation, and as generally mindless killing machines. What these studies do show is that Pit Bulls are dogs. And they fall well within the normally accepted rage of physiology & behavior as any other dogs.

Here's a few for you to chew on:

ASPCA:
http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/dog-fighting/breed-specific-legislation.aspx

The Animal Legal & Historical Center:
http://www.animallaw.info/articles/aruslweiss2001.htm

The CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Dog-Bites/dogbite-factsheet.html
http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

The National Canine Research Council:
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dogbites/dog-bites-faq/

The American Temperament Test Society:
http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

The American Bar Association:
http://www.americanbar.org/content/newsletter/publications/gp_solo_magazine_home/gp_solo_magazine_index/pitbull.html

and a presentation for an actual Research Paper:
http://www.slideshare.net/michellebutcher/bsl-research-report

They all agree with me and disagree with you.

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Pitbulls Used to Be Considered the Perfect "Nanny Dogs" for Children -- [View all] xchrom Feb 2013 OP

"There are no bad dogs, only bad owners." nt truebluegreen Feb 2013 #1

Nonsense Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #42

Nonsense. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #46

I have more dog sense in my little finger finger Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #92

and yet with all your "experience" you need to make your case with personal insults. Bad dog. TeamPooka Feb 2013 #108

Please. Spare me. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #191

nothing you said addresses your use of insults in this debate and that's what I commented on TeamPooka Feb 2013 #195

Off the topic, but your posts are the most interesting The Second Stone Feb 2013 #236

I agree that they breed for genetics, hollysmom Feb 2013 #240

your imported GSDs sound dangerous shireen Feb 2013 #306

You do not understand Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #311

wth? uppityperson Feb 2013 #347

Again, you do not get it. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #381

You do get your exercise, don't you? eom uppityperson Feb 2013 #396

You are so right. The problems start when fools purchase problem dogs. DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #324

You are absolutely correct! defacto7 Feb 2013 #333

Thank you for the experienced insight get the red out Feb 2013 #208

Who the heck are you talking about? OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #233

There are breeds that are bred for a purpose Aerows Feb 2013 #247

I don't pretend shit and that was not my point OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #302

Until one randomly rips your arm off Aerows Feb 2013 #356

oh how patently untrue very very very untrue and I know for experience azurnoir Feb 2013 #359

I do not believe it Aerows Feb 2013 #364

you know what I don't care it happened azurnoir Feb 2013 #368

Fair enough Aerows Feb 2013 #370

I believe you about your dog azurnoir Feb 2013 #374

I actually would love to have a smaller Aerows Feb 2013 #375

I'm waiting for the story about Aerows Feb 2013 #367

Yeah well OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #405

+1. Professional horse trainer/breeder here, and owner of JRTs. Agreed on all fronts. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #230

I think that breeding any animal LWolf Feb 2013 #287

I've had a Doberman Aerows Feb 2013 #244

Too much to type about the "why's" but suffice it to say Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #254

They are good dogs Aerows Feb 2013 #344

Your post got me interested in this topic Blecht Feb 2013 #276

Even though LWolf Feb 2013 #288

I do not know your dog and how can I asses it from a picture? What I do know is Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #293

I can't read any of that, LWolf Feb 2013 #338

Website for F�d�ration Cynologique Internationale (in English) JHB Feb 2013 #383

You are lucky to have such intimate knowledge of DUer truebluegreen. I have only met a few uppityperson Feb 2013 #295

Anyone who does not understand that in America, we breed a ton of unhealthy, Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #299

I agree AKC and breeding practices for a physical trait is idiotic. Am just saying I am envious of uppityperson Feb 2013 #301

If my post was presumptuous, it was because Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #304

"nonsense" is preposterous. Oh. Kay. Have a good day. uppityperson Feb 2013 #308

Any dog CAN be bred indiscriminately and there can be bad dogs but uppityperson Feb 2013 #292

No it is not. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #296

They CAN be bred indiscriminately but I know people who breed them and are very careful of uppityperson Feb 2013 #303

Really? I would like you to expand on this. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #305

Good dog, friendly, smart, no health problems=possibility of breeding. Simplistically put. uppityperson Feb 2013 #348

In other words, you have no standards. Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #380

This is an internet forum, not a Master's Dissertation. eom uppityperson Feb 2013 #395

You are so right. Our vet says most problems are blamed on appleannie1 Feb 2013 #57

That's very well put! truebluegreen Feb 2013 #59

That's true. Anecdotal evidence: Us. JanMichael Feb 2013 #103

Mine, too. And that's what I've read. But I have a dog... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #151

I've been hearing that argument for years yet.... retired rooster Feb 2013 #62

Don't see anything in your response about their owners. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #76

Owners are the issue Aerows Feb 2013 #248

So now it's "pit bull type dogs"? What the hell does that mean? Recursion Feb 2013 #179

A "Pit Bull type dog" is anything with 4 legs & a tail that the media wants you to be afraid of. baldguy Feb 2013 #189

Bingo Drale Feb 2013 #201

I'll note that I had a massive Doberman Aerows Feb 2013 #249

Bullshit. baldguy Feb 2013 #251

Pit bulls are not "pain intolerant" or even "pain tolerant", that is a myth. uppityperson Feb 2013 #298

Uh Aerows Feb 2013 #371

You wrote "they are pain intolerant". uppityperson Feb 2013 #373

So they just fly around on their own, you think? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #228

The problem is that they're all jaw Warpy Feb 2013 #379

Deaths by dogs > Pit bulls 71 %. Your argument is exactly the same as "guns don't kill people" KittyWampus Feb 2013 #70

Who owns pit bulls? truebluegreen Feb 2013 #77

Who owns guns? The analogy is exact. Pit Bulls were intentionally bred to be killers. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #78

The analogy IS exact. randome Feb 2013 #125

The analogy CAN'T be exact. Dogs are living creatures with their own thoughts and instincts... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #196

Your wrong Drale Feb 2013 #202

Yeah, you're right. It does happen in some locations. randome Feb 2013 #210

BSLs are designed precisely to take away peoples pets. baldguy Feb 2013 #343

Pit bulls have never been bred to kill people, that I've heard. Where did you hear that? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #134

When I had to put my Black Lab down because of old age, I asked the vet to .... spin Feb 2013 #194

The problem with that is...lots of injuries are blamed on "pit bulls" that aren't actually pit bulls Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #133

Because hysterias like this make witnesses identify every dog as a "Pit Bull" Recursion Feb 2013 #174

Propaganda from a biased anti-Pit Bull web site. baldguy Feb 2013 #207

Statically speaking... defacto7 Feb 2013 #336

And such "statistics" are bullshit. baldguy Feb 2013 #339

Thank you for your kind reminder to read the OP defacto7 Feb 2013 #361

Your link doesnot support your thesis. baldguy Feb 2013 #363

Nope, I was very clear. defacto7 Feb 2013 #365

I'm not suprised that you can't provide supporting documentation for your misguided ideas. baldguy Feb 2013 #377

From YOUR link... Nine Feb 2013 #386

If you don't provide the full context, it's for sure "out of context". baldguy Feb 2013 #388

Heh. Now you say there are "problems with this report" - a report you yourself introduced! Nine Feb 2013 #389

You "don't dispute" this, you "don't dispute" that & "don't dispute" this other thing - baldguy Feb 2013 #390

Sorry to make things difficult for you Nine Feb 2013 #391

So, the SPCA, Michigan State University, the ABA, the National Canine Research Council, baldguy Feb 2013 #400

er, no, that's not what a strawman argument is Nine Feb 2013 #401

That's what you're arguing against: scientific peer-reviewed research. baldguy Feb 2013 #402

There may be no bade dogs DBoon Feb 2013 #135

I call bullshit -- and here is one example of why . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #238

That's a very dangerous situation and animal. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #250

I agree -- and very worrisome! n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #334

I have a boxer/ rottie pet. He's like another child. He will bark like an idiot if glowing Feb 2013 #2

i thought it was just my female boxer /rottie mix was the only one... madrchsod Feb 2013 #14

You are right about that one. His bark is crazy sounding, no one would bother glowing Feb 2013 #43

Yeah, I honestly just think they are happier after they are "fixed". LisaLynne Feb 2013 #37

less testosterone is a good thing for many male dogs, and if you don't fix a female, you will be glowing Feb 2013 #53

I have a male and female, both fixed. He tries to mount her sometimes. She thinks it's a game. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #153

Our fixed male tries to mount one of our female's head! sweetloukillbot Feb 2013 #175

That made me chuckle. That's pretty weird. But whatever floats his boat. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #198

You have a mutt. Just saying. Sounds like a sweetie pie! KittyWampus Feb 2013 #55

He came from a pure boxer and a pure rottweiler used for breeding. glowing Feb 2013 #63

how do you know... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #60

Its being responsible. And they are fully functional without these bits and parts. glowing Feb 2013 #68

i know. actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #75

Really? blueamy66 Feb 2013 #69

I'm not trying to make you feel bad. actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #74

And for their puppies' inconvenience, when they are ion the pound. blueamy66 Feb 2013 #90

Go to a city animal OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #88

They don't "chop off" the balls. They snip the bag... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #154

They are happier when they don't have roody Feb 2013 #215

I have a old Tien1985 Feb 2013 #3

I've read that the aggressiveness can start at about two years old. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #155

I am a firm believer Tien1985 Feb 2013 #162

Wow, you sound so responsible! Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #200

I've heard Tien1985 Feb 2013 #222

We adopted a 2-year old pit mix YarnAddict Feb 2013 #261

They do have dogs to Tien1985 Feb 2013 #264

I wish for the best for her YarnAddict Feb 2013 #269

Has anyone considered what might happen thucythucy Feb 2013 #271

I hadn't even considered that! YarnAddict Feb 2013 #272

You might want to run this possibility by thucythucy Feb 2013 #273

I will talk to her ASAP YarnAddict Feb 2013 #274

Welcome to DU! Recursion Feb 2013 #279

It's interesting that the attacks don't seem related thucythucy Feb 2013 #280

Here is the link to the Pets forum/group on DU. Come on over. uppityperson Feb 2013 #291

I Remember When I Was Younger Being Taught... dballance Feb 2013 #277

I'm far from being an expert YarnAddict Feb 2013 #313

Here's a picture of her YarnAddict Feb 2013 #318

You answered your own question in your original post. baldguy Feb 2013 #341

Huh. Your beloved, well-treated, seemingly wonderful pit suddenly attacked. Nine Feb 2013 #387

Welllllll...... onlyadream Feb 2013 #4

What's your point? n/t theaocp Feb 2013 #5

See post 1 rosesaylavee Feb 2013 #6

When I was a kid my mother's Silky Terrier did the same thing. baldguy Feb 2013 #7

Probably not, Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #27

Exactly - case by case basis OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #114

Yep... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #132

I agree OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #168

Had an extremely powerful Doberman Aerows Feb 2013 #369

Hey there... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #384

Exactly LOL Aerows Feb 2013 #403

No, you were not wrong. But with a rescue dog, special care needs to be taken. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #137

My brother had to have his nose rebuilt after a black lab acosted him while being pet. They Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #184

Your friends gave reprieve to a psychologically damaged animal Scootaloo Feb 2013 #229

A Doberman? Aerows Feb 2013 #376

Looked straight-up doberman; no papers though Scootaloo Feb 2013 #378

"...parents often recoil in horror when they spot one of these animals." secondvariety Feb 2013 #8

A pit mix is a mutt. It's not a pit bull. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #56

"A pitmix is a mutt." secondvariety Feb 2013 #89

If my pit mix bites someone, then it will be called a full pit bull. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #115

Since what you have is a mutt, how would they identify her as a pit mix? Is that what you say she Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #140

The police there have flexibility to determine. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #216

Oh, I see. How awful some reacted to your pet that way. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #219

I knew someone who worked at a vet Lordquinton Feb 2013 #239

I rescued a pit 'bait dog'... ColesCountyDem Feb 2013 #9

I don't have a pit mzteris Feb 2013 #112

you did a good thing. liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #123

doesn't this call for some kind of action? Enrique Feb 2013 #10

There are hundreds of OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #156

Why fight at all? randome Feb 2013 #159

Because OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #166

It's not a hard concept to grasp. randome Feb 2013 #170

There is no easy answer here OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #186

My pitbull Odie wouldn't hurt anyone sorefeet Feb 2013 #11

it would be interesting to read any primary sources from over a century ago datasuspect Feb 2013 #12

Here you go... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #35

didn't know that datasuspect Feb 2013 #93

LOL n/t Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #127

Actual historical analysis posted below. Pit bulls were NEVER nanny dogs. They were bred to fight. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #71

You are incorrect. They were called nanny dogs. The famous RCA dog? A pit bull. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #141

That famous RCA dog was named "Nipper" because he liked to bite JanMichael Feb 2013 #255

My ex's Springer Spaniel bit a neighbor boy, and he growled & barked at me.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #260

Your Springer Spaniel neighbor Aerows Feb 2013 #372

I don't know where you get your info, but pits don't have pain intolerance, and their jaws Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #404

Pit bulls are more aggressive. Why does anyone want to defend that? randome Feb 2013 #13

Ignorant post. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #16

Anecdotal evidence proves nothing. randome Feb 2013 #18

This deserves a good face palm and a fuck off. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #21

No one is trying to take that away from you. randome Feb 2013 #24

The article linked in the OP grntuscarora Feb 2013 #34

I read it now. Laboratory setting testing doesn't change much. randome Feb 2013 #39

I would never turn by back on a strange dog, either. grntuscarora Feb 2013 #41

I hear you. randome Feb 2013 #47

Ok OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #109

I agree that is preferable. randome Feb 2013 #122

Some serious OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #182

Nothing but agreement there! randome Feb 2013 #183

Yet anecdotal evidence is your proof also. Can't have it both ways. uppityperson Feb 2013 #350

Your dog WAS A MUTT. Why is that so hard to grasp. She was categorically NOT A PITT BULL. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #72

Says who? secondvariety Feb 2013 #100

A mutt? Really? OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #206

I'm so sorry OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #211

Thank you do much. Lucky Luciano Feb 2013 #217

You're welcome OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #227

No, they aren't. They are what they are raised to be. glowing Feb 2013 #20

More anecdotal evidence. Look at the statistics below. randome Feb 2013 #22

The world secondvariety Feb 2013 #29

That's probably true. randome Feb 2013 #30

The problem is that any large Molosser that attacks anyone gets called a "pit bull" by witnesses Recursion Feb 2013 #169

"pit bull type dogs" not pit bulls. uppityperson Feb 2013 #351

How often do you read about a chihuahua killing a kid? cynatnite Feb 2013 #33

Then thats your choice, but placing a black mark on these dogs is not exactly fair. glowing Feb 2013 #48

Do you really think dogs care about a 'black mark' on their reputations? randome Feb 2013 #54

When it leaves them homeless or on the kill list, yeah, I think it effects them. glowing Feb 2013 #61

I'm not the one that put the black mark on them. The deaths left in their wake did that. n/t cynatnite Feb 2013 #165

I don't know about that. I have a Chihuahua RebelOne Feb 2013 #120

Ban any dog that weighs more than 5 lbs. Gotcha. uppityperson Feb 2013 #300

little yappy dogs don't kill people. Oh, and a rottie/boxer is a mutt. A MUTT. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #79

Ok, what do you think most pitt and rottie mixes are? They get tagged with a "brand". glowing Feb 2013 #86

How do you measure aggressiveness? MadHound Feb 2013 #45

Facts are... bvar22 Feb 2013 #80

Pit bull hysteria, you've got it. MadHound Feb 2013 #99

Your response does NOT refute anything that I posted. bvar22 Feb 2013 #105

Sure it does, you just want to hang on to your precious pit bull hysteria. MadHound Feb 2013 #107

Its not ME desperatly clinging to a delusion. bvar22 Feb 2013 #218

Do you hear of death by Pomeranian? MadHound Feb 2013 #224

Any adult Molosser breed can crush a child's skull with its bite Recursion Feb 2013 #173

I didn't say ANYTHING about banning dogs. bvar22 Feb 2013 #286

Then your issue is with large molossers, not pit bulls per se Recursion Feb 2013 #171

Worse, Assault weapon bans have grandfather clauses Lordquinton Feb 2013 #243

Another DUer for banning all dogs of a certain size, but not breed. uppityperson Feb 2013 #352

And THAT is a complete fabrication. bvar22 Feb 2013 #358

So what are you saying? That all big dogs are dangerous? Or more dangerous than smaller dogs? uppityperson Feb 2013 #362

Because... bvar22 Feb 2013 #394

I don't think that's true, objectively speaking. They can be made to be aggressive, Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #142

Factually incorrect. Try again. flvegan Feb 2013 #234

My American Pit "Rocky" raidert05 Feb 2013 #15

Our chihuahua is a baby and wouldn't hurt a fly.... cynatnite Feb 2013 #36

Your probably right raidert05 Feb 2013 #84

We had a poodle that hated my husband... cynatnite Feb 2013 #167

Chihuahuas can be feisty, by nature. But of course, if they bite you, it doesn't kill you. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #143

That may have been true then laundry_queen Feb 2013 #17

careful breeding that may have been in place back then no longer exists Corgigal Feb 2013 #278

Jet and me would disagree about the wonderfulness of pitbulls KG Feb 2013 #19

how is he doing? JanMichael Feb 2013 #104

he's forgotten I think. I haven't tho. KG Feb 2013 #118

Not forgotten by me War Horse Feb 2013 #160

Is that a minpin? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #145

the worlds greatest min-pin. KG Feb 2013 #164

Well, of course! That goes w/o saying! nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #199

I pull my kids close when they are in striking range of any dog that looks like it could kill them alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #23

The underlying problem with a lot of dogs, SheilaT Feb 2013 #25

Amen! You are so right. KitSileya Feb 2013 #284

It wasn't the media that did it. aandegoons Feb 2013 #26

Excuse me, but the media is, and has been, a large part of the problem. MadHound Feb 2013 #49

2012 38 fatal us dog attacks. aandegoons Feb 2013 #110

First of all, some perspective for you MadHound Feb 2013 #192

And you look exactly like some gun nut. aandegoons Feb 2013 #262

What is it with you pit haters, trying to link pits with guns, MadHound Feb 2013 #263

I love pitbulls and have met quite a number of them that are fine animals. aandegoons Feb 2013 #406

Wow, that is a non-sequitor, MadHound Feb 2013 #407

Why'd the breeders do it? jeff47 Feb 2013 #366

�vicious dog ownership may be a simple marker of broader social deviance.� yardwork Feb 2013 #28

The only thing about the pitbulls I've been around is that you can get a little bruised up playing brewens Feb 2013 #31

the eternal problem of going to dog parks. xchrom Feb 2013 #38

"assault dogs" krispos42 Feb 2013 #32

In all my years of being around all types of dawgs MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #40

My wife and I found a stray pit last year sweetloukillbot Feb 2013 #190

Thank the Goddess Helen Reddy Feb 2013 #44

"Nanny Dog? Not so much." A dude bothers to do actual research on the Nanny Dog claim alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #50

Thanks so much. I don't demonize any breed but do realize the reality of dog breeding KittyWampus Feb 2013 #64

No obvious bias there. Occulus Feb 2013 #65

No doubt the guy is anti-pit alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #66

LOL! It's got a lot of actual historical sources. It was highly educational with REAL information. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #82

he supports his claims with primary sources. datasuspect Feb 2013 #95

What a laughingly biased website, MadHound Feb 2013 #96

I'd make an example of you now flvegan Feb 2013 #235

Any dog can snap and I would never take a chance on a pit bull never snapping. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #51

Horses injure & kill more people each year than Pit Bulls. baldguy Feb 2013 #73

Cars kill and injure more people each year than Pit Bulls. Guns kill more people than Pit Bulls. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #81

Magnificent response! Orrex Feb 2013 #349

You should try to read some of the actual OP and the linked article baldguy Feb 2013 #353

the opening post is absolute nonsense. Pit Bulls were NEVER "nanny dogs". KittyWampus Feb 2013 #392

Except that they were. baldguy Feb 2013 #399

Wow, the further I read into this thread, the numbers go up and up and up uppityperson Feb 2013 #354

So what? MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #85

No one ever talks about banning horses. baldguy Feb 2013 #97

So if the dangers of one animal is ignored, the dangers of all animals should be? MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #102

No, it means that animals should be properly trained & rerspected - then they won't be dangerous. baldguy Feb 2013 #119

I'll tell that to my neighbor, whose leashed dachshund was attacked by another neighor's MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #121

I'll tell you about the time my leashed Pit Bull was attacked by a neighbor's Standard Poodle. baldguy Feb 2013 #130

Since I know someone who was attacked by a pitbull MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #136

I hope your neighbor's Dachound never turns on you. Lordquinton Feb 2013 #245

Since I was attacked by a St Bernard, I will continue to be careful around all dogs. uppityperson Feb 2013 #355

LOL OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #307

I brought her over to my sister's Super Bowl party, and she had an, um..."incident". baldguy Feb 2013 #340

so the media is simply making up the statistics . . . I see DrDan Feb 2013 #52

They are being trained as service dogs at Villalobos appleannie1 Feb 2013 #58

I've seen the results of several dog attacks before. bobclark86 Feb 2013 #67

Famous Last Words of Pit Bull Owners: bvar22 Feb 2013 #83

I gotta take issue with this insistence. The "media" didn't do anything but report on MADem Feb 2013 #87

really? shanti Feb 2013 #91

Meh, if I think I could devote the time necessary to train/socialize one... Left2Tackle Feb 2013 #94

I gave pit bulls the benefit of the doubt until 4 weeks ago. Hatchling Feb 2013 #98

A few weeks ago XemaSab Feb 2013 #101

I used to raise and breed Saint Bernards. Hatchling Feb 2013 #282

I find it interesting OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #106

Pete from Our Gang was a pit bull. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #111

Um, why do you think they had to keep on replacing the kids? Bucky Feb 2013 #281

Because like all kids, they grew older. Even the dog was replaced. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #283

A sweet "nanny dog" savagely dismantled our family pet whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #113

Did you know the family and the dog? Was it a full breed? Did you sue them? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #148

We share a tall fence at our backyards whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #157

Oh, how horrible. He got out of his yard into yours? How horrible. Your poor dog... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #203

You sound like a great owner whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #221

Thanks for writing this; JanMichael Feb 2013 #259

That Bolt dog is a cutie. You sound like a good owner, too! Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #265

Thanks for writing that! You are too kind...but, the "Dog Whisperer" JanMichael Feb 2013 #319

pit bull timdog44 Feb 2013 #116

A great deal of training and abuse goes into making a dog - any dog - into a killer. baldguy Feb 2013 #129

You said "I don't trust any dog." So why are you posting to a dog thread... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #149

to honeycomb timdog44 Feb 2013 #177

It's simple! You hate flaming dogs! randome Feb 2013 #180

While I'm no huge fan of guns OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #161

Emotions always get heated when this comes up War Horse Feb 2013 #117

Sometimes it is the circumstances more than the dog. hollysmom Feb 2013 #242

small dogs attack more often than big dogs liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #124

How often do they kill? whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #126

this is going to be one of those nasty threads where the only thing that liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #131

I insulted your argument whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #139

do they inflict as much damage? DrDan Feb 2013 #144

That's true. I love all dogs, but if you own a large dog, it's a big responsibility... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #146

I read this a long time ago. It's not just the media, though, that did this to the pitbull. It's the Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #128

Pit bulls don't have some magical death bite Recursion Feb 2013 #185

I agree with you there. People tend to call any nondescript dog that bites a "pit." nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #197

Little Rascals: Pete was a pit bull. no_hypocrisy Feb 2013 #138

said no sane person ever... JCMach1 Feb 2013 #147

They can't have been "responsible owners" if they weren't on a leash. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #150

Rural area in the late 1970's... I was a child JCMach1 Feb 2013 #237

Really? Pit Bulls? Am Staffs or APBTs? Recursion Feb 2013 #172

Fine. Any dog that can fire more than 7 rounds at a time should be banned. randome Feb 2013 #176

OK, we're in agreement there! (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #178

Some don't need 7 rounds guardian Feb 2013 #385

That's hard. Geez I don't know. The 2nd pic? They're called devil dogs... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #252

UTTER BULLSHIT. PROPAGANDA. Nine Feb 2013 #152

Here's some evidence for you, that unlike yours, is not bullshit propaganda. MadHound Feb 2013 #193

More propaganda. The ATTS is a sham. Nine Feb 2013 #204

Hmm, who to believe, who to believe, MadHound Feb 2013 #205

Believe the statistics. Nine Feb 2013 #213

Your attempt to link pit bull ownership to gun ownership is laughable, MadHound Feb 2013 #223

also as the article states Drale Feb 2013 #214

I agree they are more dangerous than many other dogs, but the owners aren't Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #253

Other great ideas that used to be considered perfect thinking. 99Forever Feb 2013 #158

My pittbull sleeps with my 6 yr old Catherina Feb 2013 #163

Oh, dear. That's not a good idea, even if the dog is stable.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #256

Oh geez, MadHound Feb 2013 #258

I wasn't talking about the breed, or about adults. Read my post again.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #266

Again, oh geez. MadHound Feb 2013 #275

why risk even a small chance? ecstatic Feb 2013 #310

Well if you are that concerned about your children, MadHound Feb 2013 #315

I'm hijacking this thread. Anyone makes another post and it's curtains for fido! randome Feb 2013 #181

It's coitains for you, Rocky...coitains. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #257

to randome timdog44 Feb 2013 #187

Aw, hell, I couldn't shoot a dog. You called my bluff. randome Feb 2013 #188

Trouble is, the dog haters here *would* shoot the dog without batting an eye. baldguy Feb 2013 #209

How many people did the "nanny dog" kill last year? Nine Feb 2013 #212

Only if you actually believe "pit bull" identifications are accurate Recursion Feb 2013 #231

What dogs do you think are being mistaken for pit bulls? Nine Feb 2013 #289

I've seen cops and reporters identify a ton of different Molossers as "pit bulls" Recursion Feb 2013 #290

Show me cases where a dog who killed someone was misidentified. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #294

Take the test, can you identify the pit bull? MadHound Feb 2013 #297

Here is a debunking of that test. Nine Feb 2013 #312

Oh geez, not that POS website again. MadHound Feb 2013 #316

So basically OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #232

I think the breed has been damaged by gangs and others Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #267

I generally love alternet, but this article is suspect. Quantess Feb 2013 #220

Message auto-removed jayfox122 Feb 2013 #225

So much stupid in this thread. flvegan Feb 2013 #226

+100 fucking thousand! It's astounding to see the ignorance Catherina Feb 2013 #397

I had the best Amstaffs Sierra89 Feb 2013 #241

" It's up to responsible owners to train, care for and socialize our bullies properly" Catherina Feb 2013 #398

..... DainBramaged Feb 2013 #246

Rachael Ray's Pit Bull Isaboo Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #268

Rescued Pit Bull Saves Owner�s Life xchrom Feb 2013 #270

That's a wonderful story. But it doesn't negate the negatives of the breed. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #285

ok, enjoy your pitt bulls, but for God's sake ecstatic Feb 2013 #309

By the way, here's a "nanny alligator." Nine Feb 2013 #314

Yeah, but did the AKC recommend alligators as the best dog for families for decades? MadHound Feb 2013 #317

You keep asserting that without backing it up. Nine Feb 2013 #320

Contact the AKC, they will show you the paperwork, MadHound Feb 2013 #321

Ha ha! Did they show you paperwork? Nine Feb 2013 #323

You can find out for yourself, contact the AKC. MadHound Feb 2013 #325

I'm not the author. Nine Feb 2013 #329

LOL, this coming from the poster who is using a bullshit biased blog, MadHound Feb 2013 #322

Biased? Sure, in the sense that it takes a stance. Nine Feb 2013 #326

the AKC is an abomination only interested in money. They don't give a crap about dogs or humans. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #393

Okay, you're going to have to tell us what search you used to find this. randome Feb 2013 #328

It's from that "bullshit biased" site MadHound hates. :) Nine Feb 2013 #330

"Mommy, can I come in now?" randome Feb 2013 #332

:D nt Nine Feb 2013 #335

Now they're BRED for AGGRESSION. nt valerief Feb 2013 #327

Our Pit Bull Mix Smilo Feb 2013 #331

The problem is not that pits are mean dogs. Nine Feb 2013 #337

That is true about any dog. Any dog. uppityperson Feb 2013 #345

Read the fucking article linked in the OP. baldguy Feb 2013 #346

After reading this thread, I'm glad to be a diehard cat person. Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #342

Which of these dogs have any pit bull in them? uppityperson Feb 2013 #357

And of course all this uninformed hysteria about Pit Bulls covers up one salient fact baldguy Feb 2013 #360

my experience Skittles Feb 2013 #382