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52. I'm with you Atman

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:12 AM

Feb 2013

I didn't see the half-time show, thought I'd throw that caveat out there from the start. That said, I'm know I'm biased when it comes to music and performers/musicians. IMO, there are 2 distinct types of musical acts... performers (Beyonce and her ilk) and musicians. I'm not saying that Beyonce doesn't have a phenomenal voice, she does but she isn't a musician in the way I look at things. I have much more respect for a group that stands on a dark stage, playing to a room of three than I do for a million-dollar light show--if I wanted to see a Broadway musical, I'd go to Broadway.

I think it's sad that no one seems to be noticing the point you made about the equally talented dancers, performing the same moves that Beyonce did. These women and men (I don't know if there were men but I don't want to leave them out) spend years perfecting their craft so they can make others look good and make insane amounts of money, while the dancers don't make nearly as much.

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What you "young turds" are missing about halftime show [View all] Atman Feb 2013 OP

I do recall the thought about the light and their effect on epileptics last night liberal N proud Feb 2013 #1

Disagree. Best ever! brush Feb 2013 #11

Glad you enjoyed it so. mac56 Feb 2013 #95

It was good for TV, but must have sucked for half the stadium jberryhill Feb 2013 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Feb 2013 #202

Better than The Who? bvar22 Feb 2013 #132

Actually, I thought she was way better than the Who or the Stones. independentpiney Feb 2013 #155

We'll see whose music stands the test of time ohheckyeah Feb 2013 #228

I didn't say anything about her music standing the test of time , did I? independentpiney Feb 2013 #251

Pro-Am Jazz Guitarist here. I've played behind several young solo female jazz coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #176

Do you remember the first Inauguration Ball when she sang 'At Last'? Pmc1962 Feb 2013 #188

I will definitely give her a second look and listen. I may have too hastily coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #191

She did a great job, I personally don't like much NewYorkTaxPayer Feb 2013 #234

I had not been following her / paying attention to what she did bloom Feb 2013 #249

i hate alicia keys' music tomp Feb 2013 #304

I think she could do a good 'Bless the Child' but I agree with you about 'All of Me'. Dollface Feb 2013 #199

Amen !...I was a studio musician for 6 years (piano/sax) and Beyonce would be rated a "C" ... BlueJazz Feb 2013 #238

Musically she's lame and untrained, and shes got gawd awful thick cellulose thighs. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #265

Not gonna comment about whether she's musically untrained . . . brush Feb 2013 #271

I noticed the same thing about her thighs. ObaMania Feb 2013 #302

You need to get some glasses too. Nothing wrong with those thighs. brush Feb 2013 #306

It's been decades since I've lived in L.A. Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #296

I HATED The Who and The Stones at the SB backwoodsbob Feb 2013 #217

...and some people prefer McCheeseburgers and diet coke... bvar22 Feb 2013 #221

and some people hang onto the past with a tight fist backwoodsbob Feb 2013 #222

I'm so grateful hip-hop is almost dead. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #267

FYI, Beyonce's music is not hip-hop. brush Feb 2013 #274

Far better than those dbackjon Feb 2013 #236

Agreed. Her performance pales in comparison to many who have played the SB. Especially this band.. ObaMania Feb 2013 #300

one day Beyonce will be "Geriatric" also , will she be worthless then ? JI7 Feb 2013 #227

I hope by then she would know better than to try the same moves she pulled off . . . brush Feb 2013 #270

At least she was able to do it in time with the rhythmic noise. RC Feb 2013 #120

God, I wish DU gave out awards for sardonic wit. Your post would coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #177

Just reading DU keeps me in shape. RC Feb 2013 #213

As an epileptic who is ChazII Feb 2013 #128

This should go well... alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #2

You still watch football? RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #3

Funny thing is, I never watch football. Atman Feb 2013 #7

Maybe next year we can have the greatness that is Rihanna! snooper2 Feb 2013 #66

Talented singer. dawg Feb 2013 #4

Why has lipsync become acceptable and expected? pipoman Feb 2013 #5

General compensation dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #9

That was great. Thanks. Bonobo Feb 2013 #68

You might want to check out Sinead O'Connor's cover of Kurt Cobain's coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #180

Sinead has always been amazing. go west young man Feb 2013 #266

Nice! nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #153

I don't find much here. One octave but she can play a guitar. scubadude Feb 2013 #291

Now here is an example of a 5 octave voice. Very rare indeed. Annie Haslam scubadude Feb 2013 #292

lip-syncing has been the norm since "American Bandstand" TexasProgresive Feb 2013 #14

Remember Ed Sullivan? proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #84

Yes, I remember the Ed Sullivan Shew TexasProgresive Feb 2013 #87

It was definitely not "common knowledge" that pscot Feb 2013 #115

I remember it as a teenager TexasProgresive Feb 2013 #129

The Midnight Specials were live... WCGreen Feb 2013 #187

Somebody clearly doesn't know the Ed Sullivan Show duffyduff Feb 2013 #140

Wait a minute. mac56 Feb 2013 #97

Yup--and what about the time The Doors sang the actual lyrics to truebluegreen Feb 2013 #149

Conversely, the Stones went the other way. mac56 Feb 2013 #209

I remember that too. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #212

"Girl, we couldn't get much higher" was censored? Wow! Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #288

It just takes a statement to make something "fact" anymore. Hulk Feb 2013 #246

Could be they couldn't hear themselves at the time. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #299

Nope. EC Feb 2013 #105

Two of my cousins were in a manufactured girl band on Ed Sullivan. Atman Feb 2013 #110

kewl flamingdem Feb 2013 #122

Chances are they didn't lip-synch duffyduff Feb 2013 #142

"Cry Baby Cry" is my fav I think Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #146

The Doors cojoel Feb 2013 #125

The Stones had to change "Let's Spend the Night Together" duffyduff Feb 2013 #144

Not--repeat NOT--true. They all sang live. duffyduff Feb 2013 #137

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Unlike many shows of the time, WinkyDink Feb 2013 #184

LLoyd Thaxton? 12AngryBorneoWildmen Feb 2013 #86

Britney Spears Lip Syncing Unknown Beatle Feb 2013 #174

That's got to be fake Catherine Vincent Feb 2013 #286

Thanks for reminding all the so called purists. And Bandstand started in the 50s. nt brush Feb 2013 #275

It's actually not nearly as common as it used to be. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #34

I looked at some of those pipoman Feb 2013 #112

You are wrong Fiendish Thingy Feb 2013 #119

It's also a symptom of a greater emphasis on dancing JAbuchan08 Feb 2013 #42

She wasn't lip-synching AAO Feb 2013 #46

Nothing to do with talent.... At events like that they ALWAYS record a vocal tape for emergencies sweetloukillbot Feb 2013 #91

The more things change the more they remain the same TexasProgresive Feb 2013 #101

It always has been. 60 years ago singers took their records to sock hops and lip synced to them to appleannie1 Feb 2013 #117

Post-processing of musicians is not new. Stonepounder Feb 2013 #160

OT somewhat, but the classical pianist Arthur Rubenstein in his autobiography (IIRC) said coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #179

setting up a stage with real vocals and such backwoodsbob Feb 2013 #219

And maybe next year The Wizard Feb 2013 #283

None of that is accurate. Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #297

bingo..my wife has been saying this for years.. pipoman Feb 2013 #305

While fan of acoustic bands just standing playing banjos, mandolins, etc., I thought show was great Hoyt Feb 2013 #6

I didn't say it wasn't a good show Atman Feb 2013 #13

Very well said malaise Feb 2013 #29

Your post made me remember Barbara Mandrell. maddiemom Feb 2013 #73

Yes but in fairness dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #25

There you go. Wish it would work in a dome with millions watching, but that's just good. Hoyt Feb 2013 #93

lulz well - " she was just shaking her half-naked body " OhZone Feb 2013 #8

I agree. Yes, she CAN sing and she does have talent. NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #10

This old turd enjoyed the show. GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #12

Glitzy, sleazy, titillating garbage. reformist2 Feb 2013 #15

I blame the Exploding Plastic Inevitable Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #16

I am neither an old nor a young 'turd' but I think you're being ridiculous. PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #17

I "clearly" do not? Atman Feb 2013 #18

You compared her to the 'hundred strippers' you've seen. I got it. PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #20

That's all you got out of my post? Atman Feb 2013 #26

My point was a counter-point to your OP. The 'yound turds' and others can appreciate both PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #36

That's not a counterpoint at all Atman Feb 2013 #40

Well, kudos to you for demonstrating maturity in discussing a topic and not getting personal or PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #45

Psst...you might to go back and #17 Atman Feb 2013 #55

I got it JanMichael Feb 2013 #24

I think Beyonce is a snoozefest. cali Feb 2013 #19

Grace Potter! Now you're talking! Beaverhausen Feb 2013 #124

Oo-la-la oo-la-la-la-la Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #152

Love Grace Potter! nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #154

The show was OK. Thankfully, Ted Nugent wasn't in it. nt SDjack Feb 2013 #21

I was in the next room.. sendero Feb 2013 #22

This Is Showbiz...Pure And Simple... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #23

But that is really the point. Atman Feb 2013 #33

I didn't watch it. LWolf Feb 2013 #27

I just want them . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #28

The true measure of a great singer is when they are Skidmore Feb 2013 #30

true trumad Feb 2013 #38

Perhaps she should do it more often and foresake the Skidmore Feb 2013 #141

With all of the major issues in the news today, this is what you want to post about? Really?? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #31

Yes, at the moment. Atman Feb 2013 #37

Maybe they'll get Joan Baez for next year's halftime show MrScorpio Feb 2013 #32

Really, really tired response Atman Feb 2013 #44

Actually, I do MrScorpio Feb 2013 #49

Joan Baez sang for us--The Nation Cruise--in December. mnhtnbb Feb 2013 #59

Lovely photo. Thanks for sharing! nt Romulox Feb 2013 #70

I love Joan Baez. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #252

Please tell me what stripper bar you go to? trumad Feb 2013 #35

Tell me you didn't get rid of your ""I'm a fuckin' man but they kicked me out Waaaah!" sig! nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #65

Replaced it with my bug. trumad Feb 2013 #79

That's what I used to say about Beyonce's grandmother Madonna rocktivity Feb 2013 #170

No tits visible proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #39

The half-time show was terrible, the singing was crappy, the extravaganza a cultural cancer. Coyotl Feb 2013 #41

I totally agree with all you said. I was not entertained. nt snappyturtle Feb 2013 #53

All halftime shows are terrible. jeff47 Feb 2013 #92

The last time I remeber being wowed by a halftime show.. SQUEE Feb 2013 #111

Thank you genxlib Feb 2013 #272

Agreed. I posted the video on #300 ObaMania Feb 2013 #303

You are wrong dbackjon Feb 2013 #237

Well it fits perfectly with the hyped up glitz and glamor of the Superbowl lunatica Feb 2013 #43

Yawn. Crepuscular Feb 2013 #47

I didn't love it. wildeyed Feb 2013 #48

Meh too Brainstormy Feb 2013 #50

That's what my mom said about The Doors and Cream and the other 60's music I listened to. Dollface Feb 2013 #200

God! So many people sound like "get off my lawn types here. brush Feb 2013 #276

How about a really good high school jazz band and the Andrews Sisters? amandabeech Feb 2013 #205

I'm with you. 840high Feb 2013 #290

I would prefer to see a high school or college marching band MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #51

Should be the DCI champ doing the halftime kydo Feb 2013 #90

Oh yeah MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #100

I'm with you Atman justiceischeap Feb 2013 #52

Thank you! Someone got it! Atman Feb 2013 #67

I get it too. Blanks Feb 2013 #247

An example to the notion of yesphan Feb 2013 #113

Taylor Swift will probably be the halftime entertainment LibDemAlways Feb 2013 #151

I draw the line at Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. I can appreciate some of nearly all music/genres hlthe2b Feb 2013 #178

"I've seen a hundred strippers do the same moves." NCTraveler Feb 2013 #54

See post #44 Atman Feb 2013 #62

I do feel to each his own applies to you, and you didn't like the show. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #72

No, you are totally wrong. Atman Feb 2013 #80

More special than what? Not sure what you mean by that. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #94

Exactly. October Feb 2013 #114

Geez, it's your opinion. We get it. October Feb 2013 #109

Vapid pop sucks, and if she was any good she could do her job fully dressed. LeftyMom Feb 2013 #56

She can do that when she's old. Dollface Feb 2013 #198

If only... ajk2821 Feb 2013 #57

Okay. . .well, let's compare it to another diva's halftime performance kevinbgoode1 Feb 2013 #58

That was the best ever! independentpiney Feb 2013 #255

Sorry Atman, you can't be an official Old Turd - only if you switched to Downton Abbey . . . hatrack Feb 2013 #60

In other news... Javaman Feb 2013 #61

Half-time is for grabbing more nachos and taking a dump... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #63

I thought it was pretty bad wercal Feb 2013 #64

Takes alot of stamina to dance at that level and sing at the same time. And she does write her own JaneyVee Feb 2013 #69

I hope someone's documenting this Beyonc� dustup as an example Heidi Feb 2013 #71

If I become as much of... 99Forever Feb 2013 #74

Yes, it most certainly did......nft plethoro Feb 2013 #138

"She was a prop in someone else's stage show." BINGO! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #75

The young will always think they are hipper than us old farts... WI_DEM Feb 2013 #76

I like rock music too and Bruce was the best of the modern half time shows Jennicut Feb 2013 #77

I have the exact same reaction as you. For all the hysteria surrounding her performance Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2013 #78

I don't care about the content of the half-time show. meaculpa2011 Feb 2013 #81

Half time is for the players and coaches OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #134

Vapid dance pop can be fun. I like to dance to it when I go down to the city Zorra Feb 2013 #82

people on both sides of this topic are being silly, imho Marrah_G Feb 2013 #83

im an old turd and think Beyonce is a really talented perfomer. bullimiami Feb 2013 #85

what I wonder is hfojvt Feb 2013 #88

I'm an old 'lech' 12AngryBorneoWildmen Feb 2013 #89

This turd saw the last 5 minutes & then went back to The Music Man to watch some other women dancing progressoid Feb 2013 #96

I wish I could Rec this thread 100 times ... Myrina Feb 2013 #98

What does Cenk have to do with it? JHB Feb 2013 #99

I'd bring back Marching Bands...like those in Drumline....... Burma Jones Feb 2013 #102

I thought it was awful, personally Aerows Feb 2013 #103

Agreed...she is over-rated and a homophobe to boot...knr joeybee12 Feb 2013 #104

Homophobe? Where did you get that nonsense? nt brush Feb 2013 #277

Lighten up people Not Me Feb 2013 #106

I think I am getting old.. I didn't care for this at all... same for Madonna and Britney Spears show secondwind Feb 2013 #107

Thank you! PasadenaTrudy Feb 2013 #116

Speaking as a young professional musician... MirrorAshes Feb 2013 #118

THANK YOU! So many musical regressives on . . . brush Feb 2013 #278

What happened to Feminism? Zoonart Feb 2013 #121

I agree PasadenaTrudy Feb 2013 #127

I love your post. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #159

I hate the way singers murder The National Anthem. They seem to appleannie1 Feb 2013 #123

Absolutely! aka-chmeee Feb 2013 #257

My Dad is 87 years old.......... Stainless Feb 2013 #126

I agree and disagree... ReRe Feb 2013 #130

What you saw last night was just the superficial aspects of Beyonce ecstatic Feb 2013 #131

Hundreds of strippers ?? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #133

This ole woman says Beyonce's half time show was great appacom Feb 2013 #135

What appacom said. I'm old and I thought the show was upbeat and fun. Couldn't help but dance. Dollface Feb 2013 #197

Great post. And it's obvious the OP is not only stuck in the past but has no clue of the present Number23 Feb 2013 #206

Great post. I agree 100 per cent. To me, it plethoro Feb 2013 #136

Too bad Elvis couldn't have performed. Fredfon Feb 2013 #139

Heh heh.... MADem Feb 2013 #158

Any time I have seen Beyonce mainstreetonce Feb 2013 #143

The national anthem was pretty good. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #145

I thought the entire event was a metaphor. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #147

wow Locrian Feb 2013 #148

Hilariously enough Romulus Quirinus Feb 2013 #150

I am an OLD fart and I thought it was great. MADem Feb 2013 #156

Great post. bigwillq Feb 2013 #161

It's not a great post at all. It's a load of crap. Atman Feb 2013 #166

Thank you. I'm waiting for the outrage about the combo of violence and sexuality that was MADem Feb 2013 #190

+ a million. MADem you are cool with me, in every sense of the word Number23 Feb 2013 #235

exactly so. bloom Feb 2013 #250

WOO HOO! I love your post. You nailed my thoughts exactly brush Feb 2013 #279

I even like the tunes from the turn of the century that my great granny used to sing to me. MADem Feb 2013 #280

As long as it is not a group of decrepit rockers, it's fine by me tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #157

She doesn't even pronounce her own name right BlueStreak Feb 2013 #162

Honestly.. who freaking cares? rivegauche Feb 2013 #163

They should end the BS halftime shows completely (and NOT because of last night alone) Moostache Feb 2013 #164

Be careful what you wish for BlueStreak Feb 2013 #168

Not. Gonna. Happen. The halftime show is a Superbowl TRADITION. MADem Feb 2013 #194

I'm presupposing that most people have... LanternWaste Feb 2013 #165

ugh...old vs. young adamhide Feb 2013 #167

I bet you LOVE dubstep. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #169

I love me some house techno! Atman Feb 2013 #210

The 'dancing' was peculiar libodem Feb 2013 #171

As a 50 year old white male The Second Stone Feb 2013 #172

People are complaining about Beyonce's wardrobe but say nothing Apophis Feb 2013 #173

I Am With You erpowers Feb 2013 #175

You are right on the money, Atman!! Bake Feb 2013 #181

The game was in New Orleans Bluzmann57 Feb 2013 #182

+100 dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #225

EXACTLY. I have been saying this for years. SMC22307 Feb 2013 #268

You echo my thoughts. I miss music. Real music. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #183

I am sort of stunned that this is even an issue. a la izquierda Feb 2013 #185

I agree -don't see the post as a knock on Beyonce Johonny Feb 2013 #186

+100. nt Skip Intro Feb 2013 #189

I have heard of "young Turks" and "old farts" but not "young turds" yellowcanine Feb 2013 #192

If you want to sell Go Daddy, Diet Coke and the adoration of corporations you need a Beyonce. raouldukelives Feb 2013 #193

She can bump and grind, and maybe she can sing GCP Feb 2013 #195

Us old farts weren't the target audience of the show. In our day we had shit acts too. alfredo Feb 2013 #196

to each his own SemperEadem Feb 2013 #201

First all girl band to perform at Super Bowl and I give them all a great hand even if it is not my randr Feb 2013 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author mac56 Feb 2013 #211

Hey wait a second- I'm young and agree with you! LittleBlue Feb 2013 #204

she was just shaking her half-naked body while stuff blew up? notadmblnd Feb 2013 #207

Stay focused... Atman Feb 2013 #208

but I read that and that is where it stopped for me. notadmblnd Feb 2013 #214

They made a point of "stripping her" during the performance. Atman Feb 2013 #216

There was a halftime show last night? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #215

I don't like any half time shows... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #218

Hey Atman, SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #220

Good post. My own son has recorded some awesome "songs" on his MacBook. Atman Feb 2013 #229

OMG SF - that is an interesting theory Skittles Feb 2013 #298

Seriously? Or are you being facetious? DaveJ Feb 2013 #223

Get off my lawn! Hissyspit Feb 2013 #224

It's funny how the same tired posters post the same tired cliches. Atman Feb 2013 #230

Oh, wait... Atman Feb 2013 #231

I'm a college lecturer who studies and lectures on music Hissyspit Feb 2013 #232

Judging by your post, you're exactly what we're all being pilloried for! Atman Feb 2013 #239

It was cotton candy. alfredo Feb 2013 #243

"Not only are sales of old-fashioned albums booming, it's the young who are buying" Hissyspit Feb 2013 #307

Arranged to make money Beringia Feb 2013 #226

To her credit, you could watch the performance with one hand. Flatulo Feb 2013 #233

But there's still the Doritos and the Remote! Atman Feb 2013 #241

THANK YOU Skittles Feb 2013 #240

C'mon...240x repiles and 140x recs... Atman Feb 2013 #242

I imagine you believe it means something else. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #248

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #258

Byonce did not impress me one bit. Maybe she does have a talent that some appreciate. TxVietVet Feb 2013 #244

It was ok. Soundman Feb 2013 #245

I do not like Beyonce at all aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2013 #253

You just listed many of my favorite singers as well! smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #261

Beyonce, Britney, Rihanna, Katy, JLo, Fergie... SMC22307 Feb 2013 #273

I guess I am an old turd and I dont mind the label. I just think rhett o rick Feb 2013 #254

Amen! aka-chmeee Feb 2013 #256

Bwahahaha, you go get 'em! "Young turds". Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #259

Really? Phaedrus76 Feb 2013 #260

Uhm, yes... Atman Feb 2013 #264

What that halftime show needed was a good old fashioned wardrobe malfunction!! Harry Monroe Feb 2013 #262

I suppose if you knew that she actually has a very hands on glowing Feb 2013 #263

You might have wanted to watch the Pre-game Atman Feb 2013 #269

I didn't say she designed the halftime show; that would be like her designing the Grammys, glowing Feb 2013 #281

I think it could be argued that the whole spectacle go west young man Feb 2013 #282

No one cares The Wizard Feb 2013 #284

I didn't see her show, but wasn't impressed with Madonna's last year. It seemed to be a lot of Incitatus Feb 2013 #285

I wanna say something. dead_head Feb 2013 #287

Tragically Hip rocks and welcome to DU brother! go west young man Feb 2013 #289

All this time I thought music and the visuals were subjective. To each their own and whatnot SilveryMoon Feb 2013 #293

funny thing is when Madonna okieinpain Feb 2013 #294

The Superbowl show is supposed to be a spectacular . . . MrModerate Feb 2013 #295

It was basically a burlesque review... peacebird Feb 2013 #301