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Chiyo-chichi

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52. That was Robert Cecil in Anonymous.

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:32 PM

Feb 2013

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William Cecil, Lord Burghley was his father and Queen Elizabeth's chief advisor.

The younger Cecil, who is coming into power as his father and the queen approach the end of their lives, is portrayed as a hunchbacked villain in Anonymous.

The film suggested that Richard III was staged in advance of the Essex Rebellion in order to make the general populace turn against Cecil, who wanted James on the throne.

So... the film did want you to associate Robert Cecil with Richard III.

A lot of that is not historically accurate, though. It was Richard II that was staged in conjunction with the Essex Rebellion, not Richard III. Richard II was scandalous because it depicted the deposition of an English monarch. And we don't know that Cecil was hunchbacked.

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Scientists confirm that 500-year-old skeleton found under parking lot is England's King Richard III [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP

Thanks for the Post Demeter Feb 2013 #1

It would have been interesting to know what put them on to the possibility it was Richard III. mnhtnbb Feb 2013 #2

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Haha. Good one. mnhtnbb Feb 2013 #28

They knew the approximate location Posteritatis Feb 2013 #4

both the injury to the skull and certain skeletal anomalies cali Feb 2013 #7

The vicinity of Bosworth Field treestar Feb 2013 #10

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And he was sittin' on top of the world... n/t sweetloukillbot Feb 2013 #80

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It was mitochondrial. cali Feb 2013 #11

thanks for that link treestar Feb 2013 #21

(link from University of Leicester) They traced an all-female line of descent from his sister. eShirl Feb 2013 #35

An interesting figure cali Feb 2013 #6

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A Horse A Horse, My Burial Place For A Horse! Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #8

I prefer "...my kingdom...for a parkinglot?!!" elehhhhna Feb 2013 #95

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a pelvic wound likely caused by Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #42

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Common enough in those days, and as for the display... Hekate Feb 2013 #75

True, and according to some sources Hayabusa Feb 2013 #78

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Huh? Of course he did. Edward, The Prince of Wales FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #20

Edward died cali Feb 2013 #22

Nothing is certain, of course, but... FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #32

Edward, Prince of Wales died before he did muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #23

Thankfully, the Tudor's revisionism was not complete, and their attempt to wipe off the whole line.. FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #27

'Family legend' for one, and the man who was called "the last Plantagenet" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #33

Should I be concerned FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #43

Richard of Eastwell was called "the last Plantagenet" in the Richard III Society link I gave you muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #51

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I wish I could... FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #104

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Was there a claim made that they weren't "legitimate human beings"? FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #46

If you want to defend your calling a child illegitimate me b zola Feb 2013 #48

Once again, was there a claim made that they weren't "legitimate human beings"? FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #49

Well, I am being kind me b zola Feb 2013 #63

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ah yes, the context me b zola Feb 2013 #97

You're the only one fabricating an interpretation out of whole cloth to get offended by here. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #81

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do you call children not born of a marriage "illegitimate" now? CreekDog Feb 2013 #88

Why do you ask? FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #92

in reference to not being legitimate heir to the throne, I can understand CreekDog Feb 2013 #96

So, you parachuted in on the discussion just to make a moral judgement on me... FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #98

if you call a child born in these days outside of marriage "illegitimate", I can call you anything CreekDog Feb 2013 #102

So basically, you just ignore all the facts, the documented legal use, historical precedents... FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #103

There's nothing wrong with using the word in a historical discussion. Xithras Feb 2013 #58

Ah, as long as its "historical", right? me b zola Feb 2013 #64

It's a legal term muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #65

Kind of like "illegal alien"? me b zola Feb 2013 #66

It's easy to avoid calling human beings illegitimate. Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #68

Indeed! Choose your slur! me b zola Feb 2013 #70

Frankly, it pisses me off more when one of us thinks "out of wedlock" is a worthy alternative Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #73

Perhaps a therapist could help you with your anger me b zola Feb 2013 #74

You mean other categories of people that I also belong to? Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #79

I am well aware that Bastard Nation is an adoptee rights organization me b zola Feb 2013 #85

Then why did you link to it when the topic wasn't adoptees? Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #90

The earliest recorded use in English is to refer to Elizabeth I muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #71

Again, there were other slurs acceptable at the time me b zola Feb 2013 #76

This is not about you muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #87

3/5's of a person was also a legal term me b zola Feb 2013 #89

No, "three fifths of a person" wasn't actually a legal term muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #91

Found beneath a parking lot? Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #14

Next to Jimmy Hoffa? (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #15

Rich III was probably not found in the trunk of a car. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #16

Or underneath the end zone at Meadowlands Stadium. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #61

Beneath one; close enough. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #83

Indeed!!! greytdemocrat Feb 2013 #19

Or the victim of a 15th century mafia run construction company. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #60

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A Hearse! Wraith20878 Feb 2013 #26

I'm really annoyed at Oliver Cromwell. ;-) JaneFordA Feb 2013 #29

Richard was the last English king to die in battle. Coyotl Feb 2013 #30

...a fitting end to all Kings, that should be extended... bvar22 Feb 2013 #40

spoken by someone who clearly views all history through a simple lens cali Feb 2013 #45

Still having trouble connecting the dots, dear? bvar22 Feb 2013 #62

That is so kewl! ananda Feb 2013 #31

that was interesting, thanks for posting. WI_DEM Feb 2013 #36

since the carpenter didn't know he was related to Richard riverwalker Feb 2013 #37

I have a really dumb question, pardon me: Myrina Feb 2013 #41

No. This was Richard III. He was born in 1452. Was King for 2 years before cali Feb 2013 #47

That was Robert Cecil in Anonymous. Chiyo-chichi Feb 2013 #52

Thanks ! Myrina Feb 2013 #54

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When they dug 'im up Richard said flamingdem Feb 2013 #69

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Looking at the short vid of the skeleton in situ Hekate Feb 2013 #84

Fascinating! smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #94

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So interesting. Years ago I belonged to the Richard III Society because I love history Raine Feb 2013 #105

"fueding amongst the membership as they fought for control and leadership." Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #106

as a child in England I imagined he was cute Skittles Feb 2013 #107