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Buzz Clik

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55. Just knew this thread was coming...

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:21 PM

Feb 2013

Anyone who called Beyonce a whore is misguided. She was performing for free, and she was not performing sexual acts. So, let's put all the "whore" talk aside.

I disliked her performance. I disliked it a lot. I hardly noticed her outfit, though it was admittedly more difficult to ignore the crotch grabs (never liked that with Michael Jackson or Eminem, either). I have explained in detail why I was disappointed with her performance, choice of songs, production, etc.

cynatnite, women most certainly own their bodies and are free to do with them as they please. However, when those bodies are put on display in front of large audiences, you can expect a divergence of opinions about what they see, and you can also expect some really harsh criticism. And, you will likely be offended by some of those opinions.

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Can't a woman enjoy her sexuality without being called a whore? [View all] cynatnite Feb 2013 OP

i hope so samsingh Feb 2013 #1

I think it's more like many piggish men (hopefully not including me) want to enjoy your sexuality... raging_moderate Feb 2013 #98

Was she paid to participate in the Super Bowl? el_bryanto Feb 2013 #2

So, if she was paid, then she is a whore. Gotcha... cynatnite Feb 2013 #6

That's a pretty unfortunate way to interpret it el_bryanto Feb 2013 #9

Ask yourself this question: What is a whore? cynatnite Feb 2013 #17

I am not calling her a whore el_bryanto Feb 2013 #32

What is a whore? n/t cynatnite Feb 2013 #282

A whore is someone who takes money for sex as I understand it n/t el_bryanto Feb 2013 #283

Whores by whose concept? lark Feb 2013 #125

I'm comfortable with that - prudery anyway el_bryanto Feb 2013 #129

What do you mean when you say 'a spectacle of herself, counter to what the organizers might want'? freshwest Feb 2013 #221

Rush Limbaugh flaunts his jiggling body every day in the simulcasts of his radio show... MADem Feb 2013 #59

aaaaaugh!!11! Brain bleach, brain bleach! Hekate Feb 2013 #93

I take that to mean you don't like it and you don't wanna put a ring on it? MADem Feb 2013 #101

STOP IT... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #164

Whoa. I think that makes me a history whore! With underaged clients!!! Bucky Feb 2013 #186

I'm sure the Superbowl halftime people wanted her to wear sexy outfits Drale Feb 2013 #8

All the artists who performed at Super Bowl half-time shows do it for free thelordofhell Feb 2013 #58

No, she wasn't paid. Bradical79 Feb 2013 #226

Super Bowl Half-Time Show Stars are NOT paid. The are reimbursed for the 1monster Feb 2013 #255

That has always been my phllosophy: RebelOne Feb 2013 #3

It's the old 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" argument. randome Feb 2013 #4

Beyonce and her husband make enough money and are high enough in the star ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #7

Then good for her! randome Feb 2013 #11

...and hobnob with the president. nt tomp Feb 2013 #259

'Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" that's easy, neither the rooster did leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #49

The answer at last! randome Feb 2013 #153

She's doing it because it's her job. Hello? n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #181

That was my first thought. Iris Feb 2013 #201

they've had old men perform. the day they have an old woman perform is the day BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #229

Exactly. Iris Feb 2013 #291

Those same people where probably Drale Feb 2013 #5

Cut out that crap about "old folks" dude! Seriously. juajen Feb 2013 #196

"Old Folks" probably know how to use "were", "too" and "accept" pink-o Feb 2013 #266

No, there are uptight prudes on both ends of the political spectrum... snooper2 Feb 2013 #10

2003. Now you're making me feel like an old turd... SidDithers Feb 2013 #50

Sure she can, but... MicaelS Feb 2013 #12

Here you go... cynatnite Feb 2013 #18

OK, I'm impressed. MicaelS Feb 2013 #20

She's been around since Destiny Child group. glowing Feb 2013 #90

I remember a few years back SemperEadem Feb 2013 #63

I still think she's way overrated, but she can sing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2013 #64

And I reserve the right to say "Pffffffttttt"!!! FrodosPet Feb 2013 #29

I have yet to see anyone outraged over the Calvin Klein commercial. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #13

I saw that and thought... Deep13 Feb 2013 #24

I saw that and thought.... NCTraveler Feb 2013 #26

I won't call her names either. Deep13 Feb 2013 #33

Damn it all to hell Autumn Feb 2013 #137

*chuckle* Sorry. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #147

Ooh la la! HappyMe Feb 2013 #30

Darn it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #34

So true!!! Thank you for putting it all in context. October Feb 2013 #39

Start a thread. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #46

what's the problem with that? SemperEadem Feb 2013 #67

Another good point. It's a sexist double standard liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #127

Actually, I think that ad has also been panned. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #140

"Actually, I think that ad has also been panned." NCTraveler Feb 2013 #146

Mommy didn't rush the children HappyMe Feb 2013 #150

I know I wan't "offended". nt NCTraveler Feb 2013 #171

It was discussed on CNN this AM, but if you want a link ... here's one. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #167

You couldn't provide a link where it has been discussed on DU NCTraveler Feb 2013 #168

Because DU is more representative than CNN and the link I provided?? JoePhilly Feb 2013 #180

I think you are just playing now. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #210

My only beef with that commercial is the assumption that straight guys don't buy CK underwear. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #179

Little kids shouldn't be subjected to such gory violence! MADem Feb 2013 #218

Loved the puppy bowl. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #219

Yup, she did it to prove she owned her own body, selling more downloads, joeybee12 Feb 2013 #14

What's wrong with that? cynatnite Feb 2013 #23

Maybe she should just sing... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #36

Way to tell her how she should act. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #42

Way to get all upset over somehting harmless..is there anything joeybee12 Feb 2013 #197

Very cute. My delicate little female sensibilities. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #212

And yours do too...your abilities at projection are amazing... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #215

Projection. Did you read your first sentence. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #217

It's her choice. HappyMe Feb 2013 #48

Opinions only, not facts lark Feb 2013 #133

Good Lord, I would love to tell you what I think about your judgmental shit tirade... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #198

Christian fundamentalism? lark Feb 2013 #275

Somehow people have gotten the idea that we only own our bodies LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #174

I call BS when people think flash passes for talent...nt joeybee12 Feb 2013 #199

Ok, I'll bite. Let's talk about that. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #224

she's a smart business woman, who knows that sex sells, just like every corporation noiretextatique Feb 2013 #194

They can and do...and that's what she' s doing..just don't make her into joeybee12 Feb 2013 #200

did i say she was a feminist hero? noiretextatique Feb 2013 #205

Give it a rest... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #209

Okay I have to jump in here Dreamwithnolove Feb 2013 #225

actually: it's the other way around: i don't give a fuck what you think noiretextatique Feb 2013 #280

Who the hell are you to determine whom is or is not a feminist heroine? me b zola Feb 2013 #244

Good point Tumbulu Feb 2013 #245

So, you are saying she doesn't own it and she was forced? cynatnite Feb 2013 #231

thank you for stating the obvious noiretextatique Feb 2013 #281

truly, we all use our bodies for a living Deep13 Feb 2013 #40

Is that why the Ravens wore those skin-tight yoga pants, and the 49ers wore those butt hugging MADem Feb 2013 #76

thank you! noiretextatique Feb 2013 #207

And all that padding the men wore to make their shoulders look bigger! MADem Feb 2013 #214

so fucking what? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #270

Who called her a Whore? maxsolomon Feb 2013 #15

"What is wrong with a woman enjoying her sexuality?" jberryhill Feb 2013 #16

:snort: wildeyed Feb 2013 #53

bahabahaha!! docgee Feb 2013 #60

Yeah, sure. Men always say things like that..It reminds me of the old joke I'd hear from guys: whathehell Feb 2013 #97

What they choose to do with their time is up to them jberryhill Feb 2013 #107

No kidding, but that that fails to answer the question. whathehell Feb 2013 #170

I did answer the question jberryhill Feb 2013 #175

Yeah, sure. whathehell Feb 2013 #203

Ah, clever jberryhill Feb 2013 #206

Ah, not so clever whathehell Feb 2013 #262

Yes, I would. cliffordu Feb 2013 #109

I guess you're the exception that proves the rule, then whathehell Feb 2013 #161

You haven't found one yet that has a problem with it though jberryhill Feb 2013 #187

Not one who will admit to it. whathehell Feb 2013 #202

Snort number two cliffordu Feb 2013 #106

Is there a dildonic Olympics? nt hack89 Feb 2013 #183

some might say it contributes to objectification... Deep13 Feb 2013 #19

My problem with promiscuity is biological FrodosPet Feb 2013 #21

You can have as much sex as you want with however many people as you want... cynatnite Feb 2013 #27

If only the world was enlightened enough to be responsible FrodosPet Feb 2013 #44

With enough education and resources caseymoz Feb 2013 #267

Words madamesilverspurs Feb 2013 #22

Romeo loved one, and only one, woman. (Girl actually) dawg Feb 2013 #293

The singing was horrid... HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #25

While her husband made millions from calling women "bitches" Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #28

Thank you bluestateguy Feb 2013 #31

It's too bad she was contractually restricted from showing more of it jberryhill Feb 2013 #35

You don't know Beyonce! She's modest, and she was VERY covered. MADem Feb 2013 #65

I'm simply saying that the show did not suit my preferences jberryhill Feb 2013 #72

Well, you're not going to get your wish. You'll have to make do with fake skin on stage, and skin MADem Feb 2013 #79

Au contraire jberryhill Feb 2013 #82

Well, then, you have nothing to complain about, then, do you? MADem Feb 2013 #102

Well, they weren't shaved jberryhill Feb 2013 #105

We have a winner!! HappyMe Feb 2013 #37

I know I do. zellie Feb 2013 #38

I was in the sexual revolution ... Scuba Feb 2013 #41

Ha! ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #74

I don't know Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #43

+1 leftstreet Feb 2013 #52

The lines do blur a lot these days... cynatnite Feb 2013 #84

Yes, I think this has more to do with bland, corporatized entertainment deutsey Feb 2013 #113

Thank you! nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #156

Exactly alarimer Feb 2013 #236

THIS Maven Feb 2013 #237

THANK YOU Skittles Feb 2013 #253

Agreed. We liberals are the sex-positive people, remember, folks? HomeboyHombre Feb 2013 #45

Good post. Well said... SidDithers Feb 2013 #47

Didn't the prudes complain about Elvis's gyrations back in the day? (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #51

Yes, they did--the felt the world would be thrown off its axis if Elvis's pelvis appeared on tee vee MADem Feb 2013 #216

I was trying to watch a football game BlueStreak Feb 2013 #54

Utlimately, we expect at least some of those children to reproduce and propagate the species jberryhill Feb 2013 #62

Most children come with a built-in manual so demos aren't really necessary. randome Feb 2013 #69

As opposed to guys charging at each other and trying to slam them into the ground to get brain MADem Feb 2013 #68

It was halftime. Wait Wut Feb 2013 #95

My 7 year old fell asleep. And my 8 year old was too busy Jennicut Feb 2013 #103

You'd rather your young children model the behavior of the guys cracking their skulls together? Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #272

Choosing between a soft porn stripper act and a bunch of not-too-smart apes on 'driods BlueStreak Feb 2013 #273

I guess that's where we disagree. Sex doesn't bug me, and I didn't see Beyonce's "Privates", either. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #274

Fair enough. I'm not a prude about sex, bit the messages we send kids are important BlueStreak Feb 2013 #276

I saw a message of physical fitness, personally. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #277

Just knew this thread was coming... Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #55

yes datasuspect Feb 2013 #56

There is only person to ask... S.A.M Feb 2013 #57

shootin at the walls of hearache, bang bang AngryAmish Feb 2013 #61

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #157

Actually, in terms of 'whore' versus 'non-whore', it's probably best that men offer no opinion. randome Feb 2013 #66

+1 Jamaal510 Feb 2013 #70

So you are at a Super Bowl party and are going to change the channel? dkf Feb 2013 #96

Sometimes little kids don't belong at HappyMe Feb 2013 #138

Yes. What more need be said? Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #71

All this being said, I enjoyed seeing someone up there who didn't look anorexic woodsprite Feb 2013 #73

How can I criticize a woman for doing what I do. I like sex, and for me, it has to be with a woman. Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #75

No. Sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #77

Hilarious quotes! (n/t) klook Feb 2013 #119

Not sure how to answer because your post is the first I have seen that term used...... yellowcanine Feb 2013 #78

K & R !!! - Thank You For That !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #80

There were people who didn't like that Michael Jackson grabbed his crotch, too thesquanderer Feb 2013 #81

Taking issue with public crotch grabbing is prudish? Wow!!! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #87

Either you missed my point, or I'm not getting yours thesquanderer Feb 2013 #118

Let's get a look at you enjoying it first, and then we'll decide Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #83

... cynatnite Feb 2013 #85

Apparently not... liberalmuse Feb 2013 #86

The Widespread use of slurs like "Slut" and "whore", even among the young, should give you whathehell Feb 2013 #88

Love the Thomas Paine quote. smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #211

Thanks...I do too. n/t whathehell Feb 2013 #261

I think the problem with such a question on a board like this where there are posters plethoro Feb 2013 #89

why did you write girl/woman? liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #136

I didn't know and like to be exact, particularly here.....nft plethoro Feb 2013 #154

Age does not define me. juajen Feb 2013 #208

Not remotely in the land you do, sir. As far as my Taliban friends and I are concerned plethoro Feb 2013 #213

Gee, it's a good thing you're around to tell us how to behave LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #232

It's doing that now. Marriage rates and birthrates continue to fall. Host of other plethoro Feb 2013 #239

I agree. If anything should be criticized it's bashing heads for entertainment flamingdem Feb 2013 #91

If it had been Tina Turner... Wait Wut Feb 2013 #92

very good point. It's generational. liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #114

have you a link to anyone using the word "whore" in reference to this other than your OP? nt msongs Feb 2013 #94

As a white male of the species, I say: DFW Feb 2013 #99

Who called her a whore? Iggo Feb 2013 #100

I read about ten threads and did not see it. I see that the author of the OP has flown. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #116

Here: LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #120

Oh yikes! Iggo Feb 2013 #169

I wish I had an answer for you LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #176

One curiosity from that subthread: Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #234

That was a dad LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #238

dammit. Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, but it sure as hell blows my argument. Nevermind. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #240

Heh. I thought the same thing until I read more closely n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #242

Bey is clearly comfortable with her sensuality, and so are millions of us appacom Feb 2013 #104

Apparently not here in puritanical America. Cleita Feb 2013 #108

Agree that what's missing is some perspective about our truly puritanical culture flamingdem Feb 2013 #112

As long as you don't label others Shankapotomus Feb 2013 #110

no one said anybody had to watch it liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #117

I agree Shankapotomus Feb 2013 #132

Yes we do own our bodies riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #111

she is an inspiration to me when it comes to body image liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #123

I can say ditto for me riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #185

I thought Beyonce look smoking hot. I liked it....... Hotler Feb 2013 #115

There's nothing wrong with women taking off their clothes and flaunting it LittleBlue Feb 2013 #121

What Beyonce and her ilk do is MARKET their seuxality. Also known as whoring. rocktivity Feb 2013 #122

Whoring? Cleita Feb 2013 #131

There's something wrong when I'm expected to equate sexual suggestiveness rocktivity Feb 2013 #139

Oh, so if she goes out on the stage naked while Da Vinci paints her that's artistic. Cleita Feb 2013 #141

DaVinci's ABILITY to paint ANYTHING well rocktivity Feb 2013 #220

Am I a pig for looking? zipplewrath Feb 2013 #124

Not as long as TeaBags rule the Earth n/t broadcaster75201 Feb 2013 #126

I think "whore" is a term used jealously. Dash87 Feb 2013 #128

You mean Sasha Fierce? Overall, Beyonce's reception has been off the charts SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2013 #130

Can anyone else enjoy their First Amendment right of free speech? jberryhill Feb 2013 #134

It was well done. The issue we had chuckrocks Feb 2013 #135

I'm not a bad looking chick Janecita Feb 2013 #142

lol. No kidding. liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #155

fuck yeah. PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #143

Feminism? bschaffer Feb 2013 #144

All women should be free liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #149

ha ha flamingdem Feb 2013 #163

Boxtoxed? whathehell Feb 2013 #204

Apparently, even teenagers do that now... Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #249

Really? whathehell Feb 2013 #260

Sadly, there's a trend for even very young women to look "perfect" Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #289

That's so screwed up...Thanks for providing the links. n/t whathehell Feb 2013 #290

You're welcome, thought I'd better back it up, since it really is incredible... Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #292

Oh, I believe you, for sure. whathehell Feb 2013 #294

Yep. What you said. All of it! Taverner Feb 2013 #145

conservatives are stuck in the 3rd century Gentle-man Feb 2013 #148

Of course you own your body FBaggins Feb 2013 #151

oh please, she was not "enjoying her sexuality" TorchTheWitch Feb 2013 #152

You're making the same points I tried to make upthread, albeit very much more eloquently Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #158

damn, i like you calling it the way it is.... nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #159

+1 nice rant.. SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #160

I agree that all woman should be allowed in the industry liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #172

Having been in the record business from 1982 until 2002 rtassi Feb 2013 #228

thanks for your insider viewpoint ... kwassa Feb 2013 #235

huzzah! nailed it right here, thank you. n/t Scout Feb 2013 #269

+1 EXACTLY Matariki Feb 2013 #288

"WE OWN OUR BODIES"... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #162

The Puritan attitude has cause tremendous psychological damage to women.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #165

oh, I'm going to have to show that to my daughter. She would love that illustration. liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #173

Funny how guys can be honest but not women. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #189

If you have it.....flaunt it! Kanmi Feb 2013 #166

Of course! Whoredom requires profit, which Beyonce surely wasn't... oh wait. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #177

Most women celebrities work very hard to make themselves pornworthy, and.. ananda Feb 2013 #178

Amen, sister! And can't I enjoy her sexuality without being called an obscene phone caller! Bucky Feb 2013 #182

I didn't see the half-time show and have no idea ohheckyeah Feb 2013 #184

This was the ONLY thing missing from the half time show!!!! JoePhilly Feb 2013 #188

That's fine and all ybbor Feb 2013 #190

How true! juajen Feb 2013 #191

NO noiretextatique Feb 2013 #192

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #193

Did anyone read the costume designer's take? silverweb Feb 2013 #195

Well... The Ironic Thing Is... That The "Family Values" Folks... Right, Or Left... WillyT Feb 2013 #222

Because The Sexually Repressed Among Us... Cannot Handle The Sexually Secure... WillyT Feb 2013 #223

"Basically that's what I've seen here" Bonobo Feb 2013 #227

See post #116 ElboRuum Feb 2013 #243

Yes! Sexy women rule! One must ask why the most violent society is also the most sexually repressed. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #230

The two go together DFW Feb 2013 #257

My God!!! supercats Feb 2013 #233

It is time for women to be safe while being who and what they wish. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #241

No CDub Feb 2013 #246

Why not? ellisonz Feb 2013 #248

Would you clarify what you mean? Thank you and welcome to DU. uppityperson Feb 2013 #250

Some people are just anti-sex. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #247

Oh for gods sakes what does her dancing have to do with how much she does or doesn't enjoy sex? dkf Feb 2013 #251

YOU ROCK!!! SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #252

Let me get this right Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #254

K & R Wednesdays Feb 2013 #256

apparently beyonce has a good enough body.... tomp Feb 2013 #258

Have prudes invaded this liberal site? JazzQuipster Feb 2013 #263

If they have I have better things to do Mosaic Feb 2013 #284

Beyonce could wear a potato sack and look sexy cherish44 Feb 2013 #264

I don't know. LWolf Feb 2013 #265

Completely agree about that aspect riqster Feb 2013 #268

It's OK with me. bemildred Feb 2013 #271

No offence, but maybe prime time televsion isn't the place for people to enjoy their sexuality. Kurska Feb 2013 #278

I would hope so but the SNF and Fundies disagree Taverner Feb 2013 #279

Personally, as a woman, I'd enjoy my sexuality a lot better if MEN were dancing suggestively Matariki Feb 2013 #285

Cynatnite this is both true and false Matariki Feb 2013 #286

I enjoyed the half time show The Second Stone Feb 2013 #287