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148. Agree. This IS some fucked up stuff, but pretending that there aren't dangers could be worse.

I'm having trouble with the fact that a lot of what we see above cannot possibly be based on anything near the amount of information the CIA has, so it's like none of those other facts matter . . . ?

YES, the CIA and our government have messed up, but saying that there should be no attempt to deal with this stuff because of what went wrong in the past just isn't reasonable, especially when some of the same crowd we see above gets all freaked out about "The New World Order" and "Big Brother" any time anyone wants to consider some alternative that relieves the U.S. of the majority of the responsibility for everything. Now, WHY IS THAT???? Why would they not only be quite willing to risk a bunch of people's lives in the name of some ideology (that never existed in The Constitution anyway) - AND - oppose entirely new, more shared, approaches to the REAL problems which they, btw, are largely ignorant about???

Sorry, I have some sympathy with the point of view this thread is cheerleading for, but when you examine it rationally, SOMETHING just doesn't make sense. My explanation for that is that not all of their cards are on the table and I suspect one of the most powerfully effective cards up a few of the sleeves above is "states rights" hence all of this anti-government stuff.

It's frustrating, because government has in fact earned many of the criticisms that are implied here, but bottom line for me is people's lives and if people's lives should not be sacrificed for whatever principle those above are "defending", then they shouldn't be sacrificed for any other reason either, such as letting Plausible Deniability do its work again, just like it did on 9/11.

So, it all comes down to informational statistics that describe probabilities and associate those probabilities with people and authentically identifying how many people are involved or related to a given situation and how they are related to it and taking MORE responsibility to get the innocent whatever choices they have to decide their own behaviors.

I honestly do wish it was different, but just pretending isn't going to get us there and it can in fact make all of the oppression much worse.