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Sancho

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22. I think the Pastor was being a smart ass, and was wrong...

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:03 PM

Feb 2013

without going into a theological debate, there is no reason to connect a tithe of one's income to any particular bill for a waitress. On that I agree with the server. There are plenty of good Biblical reasons to see oneself as the server who washes the feet of others instead of someone commanding the service of others.

Calling up and demanding that folks be fired is particularly wrong...the Pastor should have asked for forgiveness for the stupid note in my opinion. I don't think there's any way to see paying the waitress as a sin, but going after the restaurant staff gives some insight into the personality of the person who wrote the note; seems pretty and arrogant to me.

I hope Chelsea goes to college. She seems to be able to think through issues, she seems motivated, and she can organize her thoughts in writing. I think she'd be a good college student.

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Chelsea Welch-Fired Applebee's Waitress- Heroic "Statement On Behalf Of Wait Staff Everywhere' [View all] kpete Feb 2013 OP

wow that is really good statement RedstDem Feb 2013 #1

There is a union; good luck getting organized though Hekate Feb 2013 #74

I hope Crapplebee's continues to feel the heat! nt MADem Feb 2013 #2

Law suit homegirl Feb 2013 #149

Applebee's isn't Congress mythology Feb 2013 #176

Well said Chelsea tk2kewl Feb 2013 #3

I'd hire her if I was in that business. 1983law Feb 2013 #114

playing the innocent victim. how nice nt msongs Feb 2013 #4

Exactly.... daleanime Feb 2013 #13

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #19

+1 LOL. EOTE Feb 2013 #28

There Is Such A Thing Lacipyt Feb 2013 #155

I wish I could reply to hidden messages... ljm2002 Feb 2013 #30

+10000000 dbackjon Feb 2013 #42

This is the 'other time' for sure. nt laundry_queen Feb 2013 #80

+1000 from me, too union_maid Feb 2013 #124

+1000. tosh Feb 2013 #144

Yeah, it was spot on! FSogol Feb 2013 #52

I know what you mean tavalon Feb 2013 #57

Yep. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #76

+1000 on top of yours. donheld Feb 2013 #97

you're not an idiot.... are you? LanternWaste Feb 2013 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #82

Wow abelenkpe Feb 2013 #88

+1,000for Trumad Scootaloo Feb 2013 #102

UMADTHO! stonecutter357 Feb 2013 #133

Please detail any guilt you feel she may have. MineralMan Feb 2013 #137

This is a little all over the place -- "just a joke" vs public appeal on why tips are KurtNYC Feb 2013 #5

It's actually not new information about the other server. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #11

K&R I wish I were a customer so I could let them know that I'm not any more. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #6

Contact them anyways... robbob Feb 2013 #67

I hope the Pastor, if she really were one, is proud of what she did and can live with herself. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2013 #7

It's all good. This happened for a reason - to bring more people to the Lord!!1! progressoid Feb 2013 #34

And (this part says it all for me)... hamsterjill Feb 2013 #35

same here. THIS ^^^^^ Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #73

Exactly right hamsterjill fasttense Feb 2013 #125

Well said. JimDandy Feb 2013 #138

This is like finding a note on the floor, it becomes public property. It is like making a DhhD Feb 2013 #142

i hope i never do business with you. noamnety Feb 2013 #148

Pastor Bell, about the people who have stopped attending her church... SidDithers Feb 2013 #8

Want a real eye-opener - read the comments TrogL Feb 2013 #47

Everyone should have to work as a Server for 6 months NightWatcher Feb 2013 #9

I have thought about that MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #14

yes!...and housekeeping staff! dangerdoll Feb 2013 #32

I've done both dbackjon Feb 2013 #44

I used to say that about retail too. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #41

i always tip in Cash, even if i use the credit card to pay , for the tip i leave it in cash JI7 Feb 2013 #78

I always leave a tip in cash too abelenkpe Feb 2013 #90

I believe that is the best option after reading the Stained Apron LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #170

ding ding ding we have a winner wilt the stilt Feb 2013 #158

I ate out and asked my waitress if she heard of this SCVDem Feb 2013 #10

I ate out and asked my waitress if she heard of this The CCC Feb 2013 #29

It was a Cocos SCVDem Feb 2013 #31

My nephew & I recently ate at Coco's. I ordered an "over 55" breakfast & my nephew told the Booster Feb 2013 #84

I often tip 25% or more on checks for low amounts. yardwork Feb 2013 #62

I tip 30% regardless of the amount. My tips can go as high as 40%. My Mom was a server, bluestate10 Feb 2013 #81

I leave a minimum $20 for a $2.11 coffee. ChampagneLace Feb 2013 #121

Good for you! Welcome to DU! JimDandy Feb 2013 #140

You'd make a terrible bankster. pangaia Feb 2013 #131

I would rather eat convenience store hotdogs of questionable age MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #12

That is irrelevant to this. MineralMan Feb 2013 #134

Correct. MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #139

How Christian of her! NICO9000 Feb 2013 #15

"Why fired" is because restaurants don't want to lose customers. BadgerKid Feb 2013 #16

at this point i'd say f. it . and post his name and everything i could find about him leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #17

I'm sorry, how is this "heroic" by any measure? rustydog Feb 2013 #18

reading comprehension trumad Feb 2013 #23

Nicely Written! supercats Feb 2013 #20

Welcome to DU, supercats! calimary Feb 2013 #117

k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #21

Important point. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #27

Why would anyone who claims to represent God do anything that they would not want others to know? patrice Feb 2013 #110

I think the Pastor was being a smart ass, and was wrong... Sancho Feb 2013 #22

K&R. Great Statement. (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #24

Wow, There is some kind of nasty going on in these comments matt819 Feb 2013 #25

Empathy? For a self-righteous jerk who laughs about stiffing her waitress? dorkulon Feb 2013 #61

Wow, I'm right. matt819 Feb 2013 #91

A system dependent on tipping degrades us all. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #26

Maybe so, but in the meantime, tip your server because they need it. Hekate Feb 2013 #75

Many years ago SCVDem Feb 2013 #33

kick samsingh Feb 2013 #36

Everyone is missing the point Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #37

I know, huh? How long has it been "10%"?!!!!! Cha Feb 2013 #51

Waitresses give far better service than god dickthegrouch Feb 2013 #55

That's 10% of total gross income! It goes up as your income does. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #66

God's obviously bad with money Nevernose Feb 2013 #83

I pray to dog I'll never have to work in the restaurant business again. meeshrox Feb 2013 #38

Kudos to her for standing up. AverageJoe90 Feb 2013 #39

How did she protect the customer's identity? Skelly Feb 2013 #128

Right on Purplehazed Feb 2013 #145

Applebees is an awful restaurant, anyway Rider3 Feb 2013 #40

So what's the problem? Good Christians follow Jesus's path griloco Feb 2013 #43

Yeah, but he got crucified for it dbackjon Feb 2013 #46

lol n/t griloco Feb 2013 #69

She is one smart woman--she deserves a lot better than Crappleby's BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #45

Awesome ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #48

Applebee's messed with the wrong waitress.. Cha Feb 2013 #49

I'm glad she wrote this. Apophis Feb 2013 #50

This is a great letter Kalidurga Feb 2013 #53

Many chains total a waitresse's sales at the end of the shift and deduct 15% from their hourly wage appleannie1 Feb 2013 #54

Actually, that's illegal. nt. druidity33 Feb 2013 #56

That's happened to me at several restaurants I've worked at Heddi Feb 2013 #68

Yes. That is exactly what they do. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #160

This seems to be a Common Thing among certain Religious people JI7 Feb 2013 #58

I couldn't agree with you more! ceejdre82 Feb 2013 #92

Ask Any Server at The Cracker Barrell jsabrown3 Feb 2013 #95

Welcome to DU jsabrown3 ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #98

Some think faith alone makes them "A good Christian" Populist_Prole Feb 2013 #96

Sunday lunches are - pardon the term - godawful Scootaloo Feb 2013 #103

it was wrong to post personal info online Skittles Feb 2013 #59

I really hope things work out for her. KitSileya Feb 2013 #60

Mr. Pink steelhead77 Feb 2013 #63

One error in her presentation PATRICK Feb 2013 #64

Well said, I boycott Applebee's if it makes you feel better, and I ALWAYS tip. joanbarnes Feb 2013 #65

A working class heroine... zentrum Feb 2013 #70

Being a Christian, I am not to judge the pastors actions. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #71

Try to buy food SCVDem Feb 2013 #85

Being a Christian, I don't have these problems either. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #89

Yep. 1983law Feb 2013 #115

The angry customer represented Christians in a far worse way ... Martin Eden Feb 2013 #77

The big problem is that she's blaming customers for not tipping her so she can have a living wage Tab Feb 2013 #79

"Like many, I would love to see a reasonable, non-tip-dependent wage system for service workers.. EleanorR Feb 2013 #87

So well said! ybbor Feb 2013 #86

I hope this encourages everyone to join a union. A union would not put up with this crap. McCamy Taylor Feb 2013 #93

Hi, McCamy Taylor! You're right!! patrice Feb 2013 #111

As I posted... levp Feb 2013 #94

Message auto-removed juanghol Feb 2013 #99

WTF are you talking about? cyberswede Feb 2013 #100

No, Pastor Whats-her-name OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #104

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #105

What studies do you mean? Give us a link to reputable source. uppityperson Feb 2013 #106

You were there? OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #107

only right wing trolls JI7 Feb 2013 #108

Wow!!! Iggo Feb 2013 #109

A-fucking-men! Scootaloo Feb 2013 #101

k&r n/t RainDog Feb 2013 #112

Well written and reasonable. 1983law Feb 2013 #113

The Dickless Prick nvme Feb 2013 #116

Filthy rat children? Nine Feb 2013 #122

She violated a customer's privacy no matter how you slice it. elias7 Feb 2013 #118

I agree with you. Nine Feb 2013 #119

I'm in the minority here that agrees with you. noamnety Feb 2013 #120

I am a server Skelly Feb 2013 #129

As long as it's just stiffing a waitress, and a woman, no problem, eh? jtuck004 Feb 2013 #147

Supporting privacy rights doesn't make you a corporate fascist. noamnety Feb 2013 #157

Supporting corporate profits over someone's ability to make a living wage does. jtuck004 Feb 2013 #186

This isn't profits vs. employee rights. noamnety Feb 2013 #189

That sound like the naive reasoning I see when people post something here and are suprised jtuck004 Feb 2013 #191

Your English teacher's advice is wise. noamnety Feb 2013 #192

That was very well written obama2terms Feb 2013 #123

First of all, if you're not leaving a 20% tip you are an asshole. Walk away Feb 2013 #126

Disagree. elias7 Feb 2013 #127

"And the waitress had no incentive to serve graciously since there was an automatic 18% tip added" Skelly Feb 2013 #130

Gratuity: A sum of money given to someone as a way of rewarding them for their services. elias7 Feb 2013 #146

I agree Skelly Feb 2013 #154

Didn't realize you could do that... elias7 Feb 2013 #193

An automatic % added to every bill is no longer a gratuity JimDandy Feb 2013 #151

Maybe back in the day Skelly Feb 2013 #153

I guess you didn't bother to read my entire post. Walk away Feb 2013 #187

I have been to countries where servers do not work for tips, only for wages. tavernier Feb 2013 #132

You only need to imagine a slight variation on the story to understand why the waitress was wrong. Nine Feb 2013 #135

You make a good point. We should judge on a case basis. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #141

No, we should consistently stick with the principle that businesses respect customer privacy. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #143

Ah to be in that bubble. Since when did businesses "respect" customer privacy? Dont you get spam rhett o rick Feb 2013 #150

The employee was not speaking out against the company. Nine Feb 2013 #152

Why? Robb Feb 2013 #156

Serious answer Lacipyt Feb 2013 #159

yep Nine Feb 2013 #163

So do you think Applebee's "won" this episode, too? Robb Feb 2013 #165

I don't think a win was possible for Applebees. noamnety Feb 2013 #168

They had several points where they could've minimized the damage, and they screwed up each time. Robb Feb 2013 #171

a gift card was never going to fly. noamnety Feb 2013 #174

The "national joke" was already waning at that point. Robb Feb 2013 #175

Do you think Applebee's should have ignored its own policy or not have had the policy to begin with? Nine Feb 2013 #181

Applebee's "ignored its own policy" at will. To wit: Robb Feb 2013 #182

I think it is fair to assume Lacipyt Feb 2013 #184

Why don't you care more about whether they did the right thing than about how it affected sales? nt Nine Feb 2013 #169

Winning and losing Lacipyt Feb 2013 #173

Wow. So you think we should give up all expectations of privacy when we do business with a company? Nine Feb 2013 #161

You don't think it hurt Applebee's? Robb Feb 2013 #164

I don't know if it did or not. Nine Feb 2013 #167

As a former waitress and cook LittleGirl Feb 2013 #136

What she doesn't tell you.... Yuffiek133 Feb 2013 #162

I don't agree with that. Nine Feb 2013 #180

k&r for labor. n/t Laelth Feb 2013 #166

The pastor imo should be banned from Applebees LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #172

I don't understand is why Applebee's didn't take the correct course of action for an unpaid bill. Sivafae Feb 2013 #177

The bill was paid, including the automatic gratuity. Nine Feb 2013 #178

i think they did pay the full bill noamnety Feb 2013 #179

Here's the policy that would have triggered firing: noamnety Feb 2013 #183

Nice try. athena Feb 2013 #185

How about this Lacipyt Feb 2013 #188

My receipts generally have a portion of the card number. noamnety Feb 2013 #190

Unbelievable Stupidity Sammy234 Mar 2013 #194