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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Then exploded.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:42 PM
Feb 2013

These are gangster times, no different than in the antebellum South.

Thank you, Ichingcarpenter. Mr. Douglas put it into perspective perfectly. And the same property-over-people warmongers and slavemasters own and operate the government.

I haven't read it yet, but there's a new book about Vietnam by Nick Turse, "Kill Everything That Moves," that pretty much puts the situation into words almost as well as Mr. Douglass.

“No book I have read in decades has so shaken me, as an American. Turse lays open the ground-level reality of a war that was far more atrocious than Americans at home have ever been allowed to know. He exposes official policies that encouraged ordinary American soldiers and airmen to inflict almost unimaginable horror and suffering on ordinary Vietnamese, followed by official cover-up as tenacious as Turse’s own decade of investigative effort against it. Kill Anything That Moves is obligatory reading for Americans, because its implications for the likely scale of atrocities and civilian casualties inflicted and covered up in our latest wars are inescapable and staggering.” —Daniel Ellsberg, author of Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers

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Ron Wyden, liberal democratic Oregon is saying he is FOR DRONES graham4anything Feb 2013 #1
Black or White? davidpdx Feb 2013 #6
Yes, I am for it. Ron and I are on the same side. We are for it. graham4anything Feb 2013 #10
This is his point Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #11
after the fact. Not preannounced before the fact. graham4anything Feb 2013 #13
The President's argument is only valid if no mistakes are made. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #22
Truman dropped a bomb. Were all those people guilty? graham4anything Feb 2013 #24
I think there's a difference... HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #25
The cold war is dead.that is so 1980s. This is 2013. No borders, new enemies. graham4anything Feb 2013 #26
No he is not. Coyotl Feb 2013 #18
This is going to be key: ProSense Feb 2013 #2
Exactly. What's so difficult about that Cha Feb 2013 #23
I personally would like to back it up a bit, ronnie. If say, russia declared that it's at war with HiPointDem Feb 2013 #3
+a million n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #4
Civilized countries like the US and Russia would resolve it without unilateral action... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #7
'these joke countries'? that comment and the attitude behind it is the problem. they're a HiPointDem Feb 2013 #9
My thoughts Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #5
This is how evil begins-subtley, reasonably. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #8
Burning infidels at the stack was all very exactingly regulated by a set of laws, slavery too Coyotl Feb 2013 #17
I am against this policy ReRe Feb 2013 #12
How many disappeared are there? Coyotl Feb 2013 #19
Wyden and Udall tried warning us about USA PATRIOT Act secret laws and COULDN'T. Octafish Feb 2013 #14
Yeah and the Patriot Act Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #16
To be accused is to be convicted Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #20
Then exploded. Octafish Feb 2013 #21
"Every American has the right to know when their government believes that it is allowed to kill them Coyotl Feb 2013 #15
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