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Showing Original Post only (View all)Another Kind of Extra-Judicial Killing [View all]
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/01/calif-police-sniper-kills-kidnapper-who-was-holding-girl/1#.URLFpx1WyuICalif. police sniper kills kidnapper who was holding girl
A SWAT sniper killed an armed kidnapper who was holding the 11-year-old daughter of his ex-girlfriend, whom he abducted early today in the heart Silicon Valley, the San Jose Mercury News reports.
The girl, identified as Taylor Vo, was taken at gunpoint from her home about 1:20 a.m. PT (4:20 a.m. ET) by 42-year-old Tri Truong Le, police said. The girl was unharmed.
A SWAT sniper killed an armed kidnapper who was holding the 11-year-old daughter of his ex-girlfriend, whom he abducted early today in the heart Silicon Valley, the San Jose Mercury News reports.
The girl, identified as Taylor Vo, was taken at gunpoint from her home about 1:20 a.m. PT (4:20 a.m. ET) by 42-year-old Tri Truong Le, police said. The girl was unharmed.
Such shootings by police snipers in hostage situations occur with some regularity in the United States. Every last one of them is extra-judicial, and happens when the risk to a hostage or hostages is deemed by police at the scene to require deadly force. Generally, someone at a relatively high rank gives a sniper permission to fire if an opportunity presents itself.
Such shootings are almost always determined later to be justified by a court or other body.
You can find more such incidents by Googling "police sniper kills" hostage.
They don't happen every day, by any means, but they do happen, and are virtually always extra-judicial. Often, they save a life or lives, by taking one. Are such shootings wrong? That depends on how you look at them, I guess, and on the individual situation, but they occur regularly.
It seems to me that blanket condemnation of such actions is not wise. That is why I am taking no position on this topic in general, especially as it applies to our military, when in operation outside the US. I do not have adequate information to make a call on these, and I'm unwilling to make a blanket statement about them.
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IF they were outside the authority of the court how would it be required that:
Vincardog
Feb 2013
#9
No, and as we're seeing a drone strike is hardly the end of the process either
Recursion
Feb 2013
#11
Please link for me the judicial review of these drone strikes. The authority claimed is
Vincardog
Feb 2013
#14
What was leaked was the Administration's claim of an legal reasoning behind an unconstitutional
Vincardog
Feb 2013
#30
My problem is with the claim that the Administration can do them without review or oversight.
Vincardog
Feb 2013
#4
These acts are not limited to the military in a declared war. The authority claimed to
Vincardog
Feb 2013
#24
I am arguing that the powers claimed are illegal and unconstitutional. The actions should be
Vincardog
Feb 2013
#40
If the "war zone is out-moded" what is the source of the "War Powers"? A Seal Team
Vincardog
Feb 2013
#57
Then we must be seeing two different things. The Constitution says only Congress can declare war.
Vincardog
Feb 2013
#64
except that the Obama administration has just asserted that it is NOT SUBJECT...
mike_c
Feb 2013
#21
What was leaked was not what the Senate asked for and as Wyden points out... this "white memo"
Luminous Animal
Feb 2013
#39
Right, but this what the Senate got last summer, so oversight has been going on for a while.
Recursion
Feb 2013
#41
Oversight happens when the person or persons is given adequate information to provide oversight.
Luminous Animal
Feb 2013
#66
Huh? The man has already committed the crime of kidnapping and if the local is armed, the
Luminous Animal
Feb 2013
#67
In regards to level of scrutiny: So it is claimed but neither we nor our representatvies are allowed
Luminous Animal
Feb 2013
#75
No, it would be to have them executed on suspicion that he *might* do something someday.
Marr
Feb 2013
#77
If the drone pilot makes a mistake, the President can use the power of pardon anyway
FarCenter
Feb 2013
#53
"So long as the President is reasonably careful in who is on the targeting list" = Orwellian.
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#61
I think we have clear evidence that: 1. Pilots are not police; 2. Drone hits aren't sniper-accurate;
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#60
The purpose of a police sniper shooting a suspect in that situation is not to kill the suspect
slackmaster
Feb 2013
#76