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In reply to the discussion: Remember how FDR executed American Nazi sympathizers? [View all]HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)270. i found this about another camp in the same area, 'jerome'.
Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:05 AM - Edit history (3)
While most of the other relocation camps were built on barren, windswept lands, Jerome Relocation Center was in the middle of heavily wooded swampland, 18 miles south of McGehee and 120 miles southeast of Little Rock. The camp was named after the town of Jerome, which was located a half-mile south...Arkansas was actually the home of two camps, Jerome and Rohwer, which were located about thirty miles apart.
The original plan for the Farm Security Administration land in the southeast part of the state had called for the clearing and draining of the swamps to be used as homesteads for low-income farm families.
The internees themselves provided much of the general labor, clearing land, digging ditches and building bridges. Because of drainage problems, an eight-mile canal was constructed that enabled them to run a successful farm operation. By 1943, 630 acres were under cultivation, which expanded to 718 acres by the following year. Jerome was able to grow 85 percent of its own vegetables. In addition, the internees raised over 1,200 hogs for consumption at the camp. The camp also had a sawmill that produced more than 280,000 board feet of lumber and 6,000 cords of firewood from the cleared trees.
Because the WRA leave process had enabled many internees to resettle outside the camps before the end of the war, the population among all the relocation centers declined dramatically in 1944. Since Jerome was the least developed of all the camps, it closed on June 30, 1944. It was also one of the smallest, and nearby Rohwer Relocation Center was able to take in most of the remaining Jerome residents.
After the camp was closed, it was converted into a German Prisoner of War camp.
http://www.javadc.org/jerome_relocation_center.htm
The original plan for the Farm Security Administration land in the southeast part of the state had called for the clearing and draining of the swamps to be used as homesteads for low-income farm families.
The internees themselves provided much of the general labor, clearing land, digging ditches and building bridges. Because of drainage problems, an eight-mile canal was constructed that enabled them to run a successful farm operation. By 1943, 630 acres were under cultivation, which expanded to 718 acres by the following year. Jerome was able to grow 85 percent of its own vegetables. In addition, the internees raised over 1,200 hogs for consumption at the camp. The camp also had a sawmill that produced more than 280,000 board feet of lumber and 6,000 cords of firewood from the cleared trees.
Because the WRA leave process had enabled many internees to resettle outside the camps before the end of the war, the population among all the relocation centers declined dramatically in 1944. Since Jerome was the least developed of all the camps, it closed on June 30, 1944. It was also one of the smallest, and nearby Rohwer Relocation Center was able to take in most of the remaining Jerome residents.
After the camp was closed, it was converted into a German Prisoner of War camp.
http://www.javadc.org/jerome_relocation_center.htm
apparently george takei was at rohwehr:
The Rohwer that I came back to, however, was not that of my memory. It was utterly changed. The swamp that I remembered had been drained completely. The trees of the dense forest that surrounded us had all been chopped down. Rohwer today was mile after mile of open farmland.
http://www.georgetakei.com/news-2003-december.asp
but this says different:
Rohwer War Relocation Center was located five miles west of the Mississippi River in a swampy area intertwined with canals, creeks, and bayous. Forests had once covered the area, but by 1940 had been replaced by agricultural fields. Rohwer was at an elevation of 140 feet.
Acreage: 10,161
Opened: September 18, 1942
Closed: November 30, 1944
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/rohwer.html
There's a camp-made newsletter in the link above: it talks about distribution of paychecks; need for 500 lumberjacks; work opportunities outside the camp for those interested. The ones I read didn't mention any specific kind of work except the lumberjacking. Residents are cautioned not to cut down trees near powerlines. There's some more pictures too.
I didn't see anything about rice, but cotton farmers are mentioned and there's a picture of a camp resident spinning cotton on a spinning wheel.
oops, here's something about farmwork (summary of one newsletter's contents):
Page 1: Essay contest winners to attend meet; M.I. school opened; co-op instructions on relocation released; friends center sponsors an evacuee art exhibit; on to Shelby.
Page 2: Residents catch queer 'things'; Spears' job to Bricker; guests; new outside employment; dance with the 'Densoneers'; relocation calendar; dietitian's class; ordered world almanacs here; deadline for exhibit from page 1; intelligence school from page 1.
Page 3: Now showing; Michigan growers association seeks 120 farm workers; center library has additions; drivers must report back; vital statistics; Scouts now have reference books; night school notes; outside cost of living.
Page 4: Packed court of honor advances 13; Club Notes; library takes rapid shape; block 16 donates dictionary; honesty is the best policy; Chandler states.
Page 5: Stored items moved; Engei Kai premiere night; Hawaii bids aloha to 2600 Japanese-American soldiers; center waiting WPB approval for entry porch extensions; marble contest slated by CA; old new songs at singspiration; current movie synopses.
Page 6: Editorial; cartoon; Smoke Signals.
Pages 7, 8: Sports.
Pages 9-12: In Japanese.
Page 2: Residents catch queer 'things'; Spears' job to Bricker; guests; new outside employment; dance with the 'Densoneers'; relocation calendar; dietitian's class; ordered world almanacs here; deadline for exhibit from page 1; intelligence school from page 1.
Page 3: Now showing; Michigan growers association seeks 120 farm workers; center library has additions; drivers must report back; vital statistics; Scouts now have reference books; night school notes; outside cost of living.
Page 4: Packed court of honor advances 13; Club Notes; library takes rapid shape; block 16 donates dictionary; honesty is the best policy; Chandler states.
Page 5: Stored items moved; Engei Kai premiere night; Hawaii bids aloha to 2600 Japanese-American soldiers; center waiting WPB approval for entry porch extensions; marble contest slated by CA; old new songs at singspiration; current movie synopses.
Page 6: Editorial; cartoon; Smoke Signals.
Pages 7, 8: Sports.
Pages 9-12: In Japanese.
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Yes the Germans have a base in the US, it is part of Holloman Air Force Base
happyslug
Feb 2013
#249
My point is that war throughout history has always been oppressive and f**ked up.
JaneyVee
Feb 2013
#13
fail. there is no such thing as 'war' with an organization. war is a conflict between states or
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#167
But more innocent Americans were killed by Govt soldiers than innocent Americans by drone
JaneyVee
Feb 2013
#161
'several'. not enough to make the death rate higher than the death rate in the general population.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#135
you don't know who was innocent, or even what those killed supposedly did. not to mention
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#166
you forgot the US territory of hawaii, with about 150,000 persons of japanese ancestry.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#240
yes, if 1/3 of the population of hawaii had been interned, the economy would have been
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#242
i don't disagree. as do the rationalizations of obama's assassination policy based on specious
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#247
The War against the Japanese was horribly racist in origin, promotion, propaganda, and execution.
bvar22
Feb 2013
#256
it was. my stepfather participated in the rounding up of japanese for internmen. i was astonished
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#266
interesting. so was the thesis in the past, or are you still writing it? what was the focus?
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#269
yours is silly. interning people is worse than executing them without trial? what?
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#63
i think your defense of the president's supposed power to kill anyone, anywhere, secretly,
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#127
How can you defend the end of Habeus? Does not every person have the right to face their accuser?
grahamhgreen
Feb 2013
#74
So you are OK with executing "active saboteurs" but not those working with Al Qaeda to attack us?
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#35
FDR, as representative of the state, interned wakasa. he didn't target him personally for
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#195
yet you keep telling others what to do. ps: i never said the internment didnt destroy lives --
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#246
I'm going to do a larger segment on this during my next show but to give a preview...
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#77
In a previous show, I called on the administration to come up with a post drone solution to the
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#112
It's your OP. If you dont think anyone was killed we dont have much to talk about. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#91
I know, you want to play games instead of address the difficult questions. Its understandable. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#98
Yup, Griswolds safe. Muslims who speak out against US foreign policy? They might not feel so safe.
Bonobo
Feb 2013
#133
You have the wrong metaphor. Al-Awlaki was a Tokyo Rose-type propagandist, not a combatant
leveymg
Feb 2013
#82
That is one contention, the other is that he was involved in operational planning.
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#89
Sure, and as I said above, if they were in the capital of Saudi Arabia or Egypt or Jordan or any
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#105
We knew exactly where he was, and there's nobody aside from maybe the Russian President who we truly
leveymg
Feb 2013
#117
I've explained why that matters multiple times now, I doubt that argument is new to you. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#224
The CIA has stepped over a threshhold by executing US Citizens abroad who aren't armed and
leveymg
Feb 2013
#237
as prisoners of a declared war on a specific country. so usual wartime protocol, i think.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#75
But not normal wartime protocol...FDR invented the tribunal for this specific case on July 2, 1942
alcibiades_mystery
Feb 2013
#182
i'm not trying to win an argument. you think obama killing anyone he wants is ok. i don't.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#183
i wasn't attacking you at all. i was stating what i understood your position to be.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#187
You basically called the person a supporter of murder. That justifies a lot of tone. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#231
Mortaliy rates in camps very high. That's death without trial, esp. hard hit were
catbyte
Feb 2013
#76
actually not. rates of morbidity and mortality were comparable to rates in the general
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#100
and i knew a japanese college professor who'd been interned -- who didn't. yes, those facts
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#202
i'm well aware of that. the area near where i grew up was once covered with japanese truck
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#207
Of course they are. There is nothing inexcusable as any excuse will do.
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2013
#210
It seems you're talking about Obama here, so perhaps you should define 'sympathizer'
RZM
Feb 2013
#73
The Japanese soldier got due process? What if it had been an American of Japanese descent and the
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#95
Awkward deflect there Leser. Al-Awlaki never held a gun, as far as we know. Again, wrong metaphor
leveymg
Feb 2013
#97
Is it? You want me to tell you the mindset and daily activities of someone 10000 miles away?
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#102
You don't know who al-Awlaki was because that's classified. But, it's clear what his role was,
leveymg
Feb 2013
#113
Wikipedia disagrees with you. Apparently you are not as well informed as you think
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#124
Here's a NYT story about the FBI taking an interest in him going back to 1999 and his 9/11 hijackers
leveymg
Feb 2013
#156
Both parties have become unhinged from the 99%, and unhinged from reality and evidence
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2013
#136
Remember when he firebombed the city of Dresden killing 25,000 people?
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2013
#103
in a declared war on a specific country. as opposed to an undeclared war on 'enemies' anywhere
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#106
far from trying to 'explain away' anything, i'm explaining the difference between the firebombing
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#123
So, if the Supreme Court rules drones are okay, you'll be okay with it too?
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2013
#147
Bullshit, a logical construct based on present trust in Obama and a rhetorical trick
TheKentuckian
Feb 2013
#273
Why do I think that if Pres Obama was carpet bombing Iran, you would support it? nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#189
i agree, more died at dresden than in obama's assassinations. however, that's really quite
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#148
that's how it works in war. but this is not war; it's a president declaring he has the power to
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#180
no, who would we be fighting a war with if we weren't doing covert war? who is this 'al qaeda'?
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#197
If you'd bother to actually read about the subject, you'd know that most America-hating
Democracyinkind
Feb 2013
#215
Could you imagine if a drone could have taken out Hitler and his top officials?
ProSense
Feb 2013
#134
The policy was NOT to target Hitler. There was no help given assassination attempts.
leveymg
Feb 2013
#222
Remember when FDR put 125,000 Japanese Americans into Internment Camps?...nt
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#174
Remember when FDR refused to invite Jesse Owens to the White House, 'cause he was black?...nt
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#177
No I dont remember and I am old and I doubt you remember. Do you have a point Sid? nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#194
A sympathizer is not the same as someone actively plotting and participating....
Duppers
Feb 2013
#209
There are some rather odd things about al-awlaki's bio. this video is interesting for a little
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#267
Your experience with espionage and intrigue doesn't include the knowledge that intelligence
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#278
We should demand to see the immigration paperwork of the 10k nazis they allowed to become Americans
Sunlei
Feb 2013
#232
The Age Of 9/11: A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. With double-plus bipartisanship.
blkmusclmachine
Feb 2013
#258
I consider FDR the #2 president of all time, however, What about the Japanese?
graham4anything
Feb 2013
#276