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This is ironic.... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #1
Could the President stop the drone attacks...really? kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #222
Yes, he could lark Feb 2013 #230
The president picks whom he is told to pick. loudsue Feb 2013 #305
the irony is.... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #294
America's Culture Of Violence And Bravado Has Compromised The Presidency And American Morality cantbeserious Feb 2013 #2
Thats what I like about Madhound..everything he/she posts, is always in absolutes... Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #3
Yup and he dusted off a new rhetorical device to use today! Wonder how many times we'll have to FSogol Feb 2013 #5
+1 Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #8
+100 Champion Jack Feb 2013 #90
Not only are you in the wrong party, you're on the wrong side of history, the constitution, goodness grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #181
Bullocks! FSogol Feb 2013 #186
Now you just PROVED you're indecent by using the word 'bollocks'. randome Feb 2013 #188
You no longer have to wonder about how the good Germans allowed Hitler to happen. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #224
Godwin's law! FSogol Feb 2013 #277
Where exactly did grahamhgreen acuse you... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2013 #308
I agree totally with what you said. A lot of people in this thread truth2power Feb 2013 #315
That was in post 224 mythology Feb 2013 #341
I'm pretty sure the word, in the UK, is ballocks. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #282
The who? You mean the people sworn to defend the constitution from all threats, will defend it? grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #223
Unfortunately, for all intents and purposes, the truedelphi Feb 2013 #276
Ok and our choice was - it doesnt sound like he's talking about choice for prez leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #29
it is bad, BUT given the reality we live in---PUKES slavering at the bit to grab power and BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #172
Sense of proportion tama Feb 2013 #203
Nobody is talking about removing Obama. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #297
The OP is about the hypocrisy of changing your stance on policy rhett o rick Feb 2013 #60
For which he ought to be able to provide specific examples. But no one ever does. stevenleser Feb 2013 #105
Did you have a problem with torture? You left that one out? NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #115
Yes, I have a problem with torture. I am sure I left other things out too. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #129
So it's wrong to torture a foreigner we capture on the battlefield NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #137
We cannot get our hands on said person. stevenleser Feb 2013 #142
The memo cites undue burden in capturing these people without defining what the burden should be. NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #151
Standard of proof? Besides common sense? stevenleser Feb 2013 #303
Because what you call "assassinated", we call "killed in action". n/t ieoeja Feb 2013 #212
Yes tama Feb 2013 #209
Nope, I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #298
That's just sad tama Feb 2013 #302
I am glad you are against war crimes at least when the REpublicans do them. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #157
Those who decide what war crimes are and who came up with the idea do not agree. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #158
Who decides what war crimes are? And where is their list? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #160
The UN and the subgroup that meets on the geneva conventions nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #161
I have more research to do but I believe the UN has not endorsed killer drone strikes outside rhett o rick Feb 2013 #163
Did Bush do this too? treestar Feb 2013 #286
What do you think? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #288
That Bush did this too treestar Feb 2013 #291
How sad. Very sad. You are rationalizing that killing with drones is ok because Bush did it. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #292
Seems to me... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #215
It makes it too easy Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #227
Since when has the US or any nation cared? JuniperLea Feb 2013 #339
The problem is not drones used in war zones. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #300
How is it any different JuniperLea Feb 2013 #338
Only Congress can declare a war. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #340
Well, Bush laid waste to all of that... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #342
Right. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #343
You're overlooking the fact that there is a policy. randome Feb 2013 #127
"Codifying the conditions" is that like a pinky swear? And "LESS likely" is only good until it isnt rhett o rick Feb 2013 #154
what about when China adds this to their rights, KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #254
i doubt they would have to add it arely staircase Feb 2013 #331
is it official policy everywhere then & U.S. is last? KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #334
How do you feel? tama Feb 2013 #206
I feel we are a very slippery slope. We rationalize that we are at war rhett o rick Feb 2013 #234
LOL tama Feb 2013 #237
You are so right on that. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #304
Where did he say we should have elected Romney? caseymoz Feb 2013 #80
So, if I don't like the plan to kill Americans without trial... bobclark86 Feb 2013 #112
We have 4 years (3 1/2 at least) dotymed Feb 2013 #116
Wow. You pack a lot of bullshit in just a few lines. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #173
I don't see that you can determine someone else's level of hypocrisy. randome Feb 2013 #174
Perhaps you don't know the definition of hypocrisy. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #177
LOL bvar22 Feb 2013 #211
So provide an example of a DUer who meets that criteria stevenleser Feb 2013 #299
Read the OP. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #322
Option 1) State clearly that you do not support the policy. Agreed? grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #180
It's a sign of a limited intellect IMHO Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #182
You freaking nailed it. Number23 Feb 2013 #273
this ^^^^^ lillypaddle Feb 2013 #217
I agree, we cannot become like the Republicans and redstatebluegirl Feb 2013 #221
With us or against us tama Feb 2013 #247
Good point and why are drones worse than guns, or bombs? treestar Feb 2013 #285
When you've sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #318
I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now. hobbit709 Feb 2013 #4
Hmmm... Rider3 Feb 2013 #6
Rider3: Sweetheart, please read the 6th Amendment. jerseyjack Feb 2013 #27
6th Amendment Rider3 Feb 2013 #202
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 6 RC Feb 2013 #49
See post #13. randome Feb 2013 #50
See post #53 RC Feb 2013 #55
Sorry, but the rights granted under Amendment 6 do not apply outside the US.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #62
As an American citizen, the Constitution most surly does, no matter where you are. RC Feb 2013 #73
Read the amendment carefully.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #79
Show me in the Constitution where the Constitution does not apply to a US citizen accused of a crime RC Feb 2013 #91
What crime? jeff47 Feb 2013 #113
Its not in the constitution but i found it an obscure references nvme Feb 2013 #312
Its not in the constitution but i found it an obscure rferences nvme Feb 2013 #313
Again, read Amendment 6 carefully. The protections extend only to US Citizens in US states and.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #179
Protection of American Rights of Person and Property Abroad RC Feb 2013 #185
You're confusing the rights of law-abiding US Citizens traveling or working abroad.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #187
Try this then RC Feb 2013 #191
What should I "try" about it? If you have an argument on this issue, take it up with... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #239
Because the Reagen Administrator did it, that makes it legal for every Administration after that? RC Feb 2013 #248
Show me where the Drone attacks are limited to persons "taking up arms against the US overseas" Vincardog Feb 2013 #170
Show me where it doesn't. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #238
No person …nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law Vincardog Feb 2013 #256
Al Awlaki did not take up arms moodforaday Feb 2013 #295
The Enlightenment Values RobinA Feb 2013 #141
EXACTLY!!! bvar22 Feb 2013 #213
Yup tama Feb 2013 #257
Right tama Feb 2013 #253
Ain't nothing Speedier than Trial by Drone Demeter Feb 2013 #85
Doesn't apply. jeff47 Feb 2013 #111
If they are US citizen, Due Processes still does apply. RC Feb 2013 #131
What Due Process is a non-custodial enemy combatant owed? Specifically, what is the due? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #138
Point out where the Constitution says that. jeff47 Feb 2013 #140
That is a bizarre claim. bvar22 Feb 2013 #148
We are in other countries at the request of those governments. randome Feb 2013 #149
LOL tama Feb 2013 #260
Of course the US has such a right jeff47 Feb 2013 #150
I wasn't aware that Congress had declared WAR. bvar22 Feb 2013 #155
They have. jeff47 Feb 2013 #166
+1000. Why is this so difficult to understand for some folks? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #242
Because some folks tama Feb 2013 #262
If an American is participating in a plot to harm US military or civilian personnel overseas.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #267
That's how we are different tama Feb 2013 #270
Ah...the truth comes out. You're not an American, but you want to dictate what.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #272
The Truth? tama Feb 2013 #274
If you think this discussion is about "American fascism" then you either.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #278
Fascism aka national socialism is not just right wing tama Feb 2013 #281
Way to prove the point in the OP alarimer Feb 2013 #233
Disgusting. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #245
So as non-citizen tama Feb 2013 #259
Yep, suddenly it's a big deal when it's this President treestar Feb 2013 #289
The breaking point of what exactly? lunatica Feb 2013 #7
I respectfully submit, this country is broken Demeter Feb 2013 #87
'aye 840high Feb 2013 #171
You may be right lunatica Feb 2013 #201
When tama Feb 2013 #263
It is for me. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #9
Will be very curious to know what Republican you will want for president in 2016 Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #11
So the Democrats might as well run with Hitler's reincarnation? Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #18
Well as long as Republicans make Attila the Hun look like Mother Teresa...technically yep. Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #20
As long as Obama makes Bush look like Mother Theresa.. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #22
Politics of fear tama Feb 2013 #264
And what part of PNAC are we following now? randome Feb 2013 #21
By making use of double-dips and signatory strikes. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #25
I don't agree with a lot of this, either. randome Feb 2013 #47
Then we have more in common, than me and the OP have, perhaps. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #72
Hardly evil, but in regards to civil rights Riftaxe Feb 2013 #228
Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #41
Well, leaving those countries completely at the mercy of the turmoil Bush caused... randome Feb 2013 #48
Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #54
What you see is what you get pscot Feb 2013 #64
^ this, for the win. Myrina Feb 2013 #88
To me, it isn't about parties and never has been LittleBlue Feb 2013 #251
You do not get to decide what everyone's 'breaking point' is. randome Feb 2013 #10
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And he didn't even give her a trial! randome Feb 2013 #16
Yep...No due process for Beyonce!! Drone Strike her! Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #17
So? This is okay with you? Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #175
It is NOT okay with me. I would prefer additional restraints on the use of military power. randome Feb 2013 #178
As long as you're not worried... Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #214
Did the kidnapper in Alabama..... Mustellus Feb 2013 #13
Excellent points. randome Feb 2013 #15
So, the more wrongs we commit, the more we are justified in doing? RC Feb 2013 #53
If you want to argue the inhumanity of war, that's probably best saved for another thread. randome Feb 2013 #123
Perhaps... geckosfeet Feb 2013 #26
Bear in mind, though.... FredStembottom Feb 2013 #42
The difference is. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #93
Having watched Joe Scarborough... Mustellus Feb 2013 #218
Re Obama tama Feb 2013 #265
Poor critical thinking skills displayed... NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #125
The Alabama shooter..... Mustellus Feb 2013 #269
Instances like the one in Alabama? Rider3 Feb 2013 #204
WTF? This is not a right wing complaint NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #280
Well stated! donheld Feb 2013 #306
Could someone please post a link to this drone memo? wandy Feb 2013 #14
There is a link in the article. Blanks Feb 2013 #23
Thanks. Didn't dig deep enough.. wandy Feb 2013 #34
Here it is caraher Feb 2013 #31
I don't think you get to decide quaker bill Feb 2013 #19
actually, we are all making such judgments every day. tomp Feb 2013 #240
Context is real. quaker bill Feb 2013 #249
please explain. nt tomp Feb 2013 #258
The op is about drone strikes quaker bill Feb 2013 #317
Oh, yes. randome Feb 2013 #319
if you read closer you would see.... tomp Feb 2013 #332
There is something subtle I am apparently missing quaker bill Feb 2013 #333
well, i'm with you on ending violence. tomp Feb 2013 #335
I still don't see it quaker bill Feb 2013 #336
Empathy is real tama Feb 2013 #266
Madhound...for some, there is nothing, and I mean NOTHING that Obama could do truth2power Feb 2013 #24
Thank you, t2p. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #40
that's pretty much it Doctor_J Feb 2013 #76
Second that! Demeter Feb 2013 #89
+1 Marrah_G Feb 2013 #152
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - And Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #232
Why is it nobody seems to want to discuss the fact that this policy was started under Reagan.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #28
To some degree, it's a question of capabilities. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #30
But, are the actions carried out by the Obama Administration any more or less Constitutional .... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #58
I agree in parts Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author FredStembottom Feb 2013 #33
Thanks for the lecture. Got anything substantial to add to the thread? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #46
Will self-delete if I can. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #52
Appreciate the response. Thanks. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #59
So because the Repukes all kill extrajudicially, that makes it OK for Obama? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #71
Since when has it been only the repukes? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #120
Are you in the right thread? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #153
I responded to this... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #164
I just brought that up in another thread. librabear Feb 2013 #108
It goes back much, much, much further than that jeff47 Feb 2013 #110
Read "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson... truth2power Feb 2013 #156
at least since wwii the u.s. govt.... tomp Feb 2013 #243
People are blowing this way out of proportion and should save their energy... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #32
.....and their traitorous little children. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #35
Message auto-removed kevm1550 Feb 2013 #44
I love the over the top melodrama Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #184
When the little kids get blown up along their supposed extremist parents.... FredStembottom Feb 2013 #309
And when we put troops on the ground, even MORE civilians will die. randome Feb 2013 #320
I'm against the troops being there at all. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #328
Asserting that everyone killed by our drone program is Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #39
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #321
And you appear to have trouble in figuring out how to post. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #323
Thanks for pointing that out Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #324
Only to people who repeatedly post about other poster's intellect (sic).... Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #325
Oh I suspect it's probably a little worse than that Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #326
Get it. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #327
define "extremist,"... tomp Feb 2013 #244
the constitution is undergoing a revision as far as laws maintaining their guild lines of the conste IsiahHallJr Feb 2013 #36
... SidDithers Feb 2013 #37
No doubt about it. There is no Constitutional foundation for 'extrajudicial killing.' Octafish Feb 2013 #38
great question unapatriciated Feb 2013 #167
Yes, Mad. I believe it is. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #43
A month from now, this will be a faded memory. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #45
If we're going to support regulation for assault rifles for the population, Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #51
Okay drones are ok and legal to kill Americans littlewolf Feb 2013 #56
Good luck with Moral Compass Underground michigandem58 Feb 2013 #57
"Malcontent Underground" would be more apt. FSogol Feb 2013 #65
Here's your problem ProSense Feb 2013 #61
I will use this Post, John2 Feb 2013 #82
Okay Yavapai Feb 2013 #220
War is hell tama Feb 2013 #268
"Taking up arms" is a good rhetorical device that makes things seem pretty airtight TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #99
Having taken up arms against the United States Government yourself Riftaxe Feb 2013 #236
Honestly? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #63
+1. n/t FSogol Feb 2013 #66
What the critics don't seem to understand is the key language in Amendment 6.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #67
Succinctly put. Robb Feb 2013 #68
I see your point, but they are also targeting people who have not "taken up arms". limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #74
"Guilt by Association along with Indefinite Detention.." KoKo Feb 2013 #100
Will it be okay to take out Domestic terrorists with drones on American soil? proReality Feb 2013 #96
I am unconvinced of the slippery slope argument here. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #101
Convinced or not, it is something to think about. n/t proReality Feb 2013 #104
Not really Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #119
wow, how quaint! tomp Feb 2013 #246
And how many of them are US citizens? treestar Feb 2013 #287
Hear, Hear Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #70
you must be ecstatic Whisp Feb 2013 #75
it's christmas morning for him... dionysus Feb 2013 #122
If I had known this before the election ann--- Feb 2013 #77
And run the risk of having Romney in the White House? Seriously?? Please. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #84
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #86
Maybe I'm missing something gholtron Feb 2013 #78
??? heaven05 Feb 2013 #81
You've been here since June of this year, and you're sending off long-timers? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #139
I heaven05 Feb 2013 #143
Sorry to hear about your execution. It looks like the resurrection is working nicely though. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #145
call heaven05 Feb 2013 #147
The whole point of our constitutional rights... BlueCheese Feb 2013 #314
Kick and... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #83
I disagree MH. This is not the "breaking point". As you can see in this thread rhett o rick Feb 2013 #92
It was wrong under bush and it's more wrong now under Obama. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #94
what is your solution gholtron Feb 2013 #98
There is no perfect solution if a group is that determined I get the feeling they will find a way to Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #106
You're saying there is no Perfect Solution? gholtron Feb 2013 #114
Yes the president takes that oath but violating other nations borders with drones and "targeted" Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #118
Putting troops on the ground on other countries would kill FAR more civilians than drones. randome Feb 2013 #124
I never said anything about putting troops on the ground. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #128
How do we stop them? gholtron Feb 2013 #130
Forgive me if you took what I said as an insult it wasn't meant that way. Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #132
911 could have been avoided. gholtron Feb 2013 #135
The "solution" is for the terrorists to stop. sibelian Feb 2013 #311
+10 !!! (NT) reACTIONary Feb 2013 #271
The choice was Obama or Romney austinlw Feb 2013 #95
What a sad rationalization. Killing just a few innocent women and children is ok rhett o rick Feb 2013 #169
Oh, come on! It's not immoral or wrong when we do it! Zorra Feb 2013 #97
Hey, come on now.. Upton Feb 2013 #102
Above all, our allegiance must always be with our Constitution. TheProgressive Feb 2013 #103
Go back to sleep! librabear Feb 2013 #107
Breaking point? Are you kidding? mountain grammy Feb 2013 #109
Sorry, but assassination is Constitutional jeff47 Feb 2013 #117
To me the drone decision proves the powerful protect each other without regard to the less powerful. Lint Head Feb 2013 #121
My breaking point came when he promised to escalate the lost war in Afghanistan. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #126
And many of those people were Taliban beheading women and chopping the hands off unbelievers. randome Feb 2013 #133
And many of them were women and children Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #195
And putting troops on the ground would ensure more civilian casualties. That's a fact. randome Feb 2013 #198
Hmmm...I wasn't aware that we had a God given right to decide Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #200
Personally, I think the only thing missing was an Official Declaration of War against Al Qiada lapfog_1 Feb 2013 #134
Might the civil war be a precedent? bhikkhu Feb 2013 #136
Interesting librabear Feb 2013 #144
War was authorized by congress this time on Sept 14th, 2001 bhikkhu Feb 2013 #284
Kicked and Rec'd Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #146
you broke a long time ago. MjolnirTime Feb 2013 #159
What Obama is doing with the Drone Agenda is plethoro Feb 2013 #162
100 recs now. woo me with science Feb 2013 #165
So, let me see if I understand this.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #189
You wouldn't have found a supportive word on DU for Bush had he written the same memo LittleBlue Feb 2013 #261
Kick and rec from me as well. MuseRider Feb 2013 #168
So, I guess we won't see all you guys around anymore. DevonRex Feb 2013 #176
Hahaha! babylonsister Feb 2013 #190
I love the tone of this post Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #192
Are you kidding? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #252
He is entitled to his opinion. Beacool Feb 2013 #293
Rec'd for suggesting a moral compass might still exist just1voice Feb 2013 #183
Did you ever think what would happen if Obama backed down on this.... busterbrown Feb 2013 #193
Why is anybody surprised? Obama has been far worse than Bush about this all along BlueStreak Feb 2013 #194
And because of that, fewer civilians and troops die. randome Feb 2013 #199
Compared to what? BlueStreak Feb 2013 #210
Guess what? That assertion cannot be proven WITHOUT A TRIAL. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #216
Only apparently tama Feb 2013 #196
Well they can all console themselves that the trains... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #197
Madhound dropped his missile and returned to Fort Flamebait Kolesar Feb 2013 #205
Man oh man JEB Feb 2013 #207
Just because paid identities come here to espouse bad policy, blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #208
first, define "paid identities".... tomp Feb 2013 #255
So, if I'm not against the drones, then... shenmue Feb 2013 #219
how many last straws does this make for you now? arely staircase Feb 2013 #225
When you continually show me by your actions that violence WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #226
I regret ever voting for him alarimer Feb 2013 #229
Take heart ProSense Feb 2013 #231
Ha! I see what you did there! nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #241
We are at war with Eastasia... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #235
Is there a difference between a "breaking point" and a "line in the sand"?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #250
We JUST WON election - good grief. Is this really that bad?! Zax2me Feb 2013 #275
FFS-- we're LONG past the breaking point NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #279
Emphatic K&R! - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #283
K & R! lonestarnot Feb 2013 #290
Obama is Boiling Us Slower Than dumbya triplepoint Feb 2013 #296
The truly sad thing is that Obama is smart and a Constitutional lawyer. emsimon33 Feb 2013 #301
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #307
... Summer Hathaway Feb 2013 #310
This is the price of not impeaching Bush. No check on presidential war powers. aquart Feb 2013 #316
The arrogance of power always loses its way... kentuck Feb 2013 #329
There is moral and there is legal ... Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #330
There are many waypoints on this road upi402 Feb 2013 #337
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