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73. When confronted with the question:
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:48 PM
Feb 2013

"How can kids be graduating from high school without the ability to read".

The answer seems to be: "We get these kids, and they haven't been taught the fundamentals in the earlier grades".

The obvious solution is to evaluate these children early on and identify the teachers that were unsuccessful at teaching those fundamentals. Once educators acknowledge that in some instances teachers aren't teaching; a system to evaluate those teachers had to emerge. When evaluating teachers is left up to teachers; they seem to want to evaluate teachers. That's not gonna work. There's no getting around the fact that if you want to evaluate a teacher; you have to test the students. They need to be tested before the teacher sees them and they need to be tested after the teacher taught them. This seems to be the notion that educators reject. Since everyone who works in any other industry can see the logic behind this; it's a little confusing that educators are fighting it so hard.

I don't think the solution is to fire teachers, but if they aren't teaching; they need to go through re-training. Often intelligent people make lousy teachers because they can't relate to students who have trouble learning. Frequent tests should be used to identify those students and they should get additional assistance. I don't know how you identify the students who aren't learning without testing them.

I also think we are operating on an obsolete model. Beginning with the fact that we have a summer vacation and short school days. At the time the system was created; it made sense to send kids home to perform their chores and help with the summer harvest (pre-air conditioning too, I expect). We haven't been living in an agrarian society for decades; isn't it time to adjust our education system to take that into account?

Kids are sent home to empty houses even in rural environments. It was a part of the overall education for children to come home and help; clean house, feed the chickens, milk the cows etc. The university doesn't close up shop at 3:30 in the afternoon; learning should take place all waking hours of the day. Learning needn't be a painful thing, so why don't we have school hours and activities that reflect the activities in the rest of the country?

I don't agree that the education system is as good now as its been mostly for that reason (parents aren't available after school or over the summer). School buildings are paid for by tax money and they should be a resource that is available to the local community - year round. I used to jog around the track in the evening (over the summer) at the local middle school; I would regularly hear what sounded like AC units starting up. If we're climate controlling a building; we should be using it.

Until we make fundamental nationwide changes that take societal evolution into account; it will continue to get worse.

As far as PhDs; I think we make too many. At the same time we don't make enough janitors, carpenters, masons, painters etc. We put too much emphasis on formal education and not enough on 'hip pocket training' (as we called it in the army) where we identify someone as not possessing some important piece of training; and they are taught that skill on the spot (frequently by their peers).

The one point that I've tried to make consistently in my discussions with educators is that I recognize that there are places that take advantage of some of the things I talk about. I understand that there are really good programs; that doesn't change the fact that there are really bad programs. We get good educators in here lambasting me because everything is working fine where they are at. It would make more sense to me if we were trying to spread those good programs around; it seems like the educators are defending the bad programs (that they have no knowledge about) instead.

A lot of it doesn't make sense to me, and I imagine it doesn't make sense to a lot of parents; that's why educators have reformers breathing down their necks. The old cliche': "if you aren't part of the solution, your part of the problem" seems to apply.

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Jon Stewart threw some pointed questions at her last night. JPZenger Feb 2013 #1
Yes! I saw that. bvar22 Feb 2013 #12
Is the video out yet? I did not watch. madfloridian Feb 2013 #13
Go to this link now. bvar22 Feb 2013 #14
Thanks for the link. Struggled thru Part 1. madfloridian Feb 2013 #19
She reminds me of a heartless CEO chopping away inefficiencies and implementing standard metrics. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #21
"She reminds me of a heartless CEO".. ReRe Feb 2013 #33
+10 :) I'm Glad to see someone say it. They don't mix at all. nt RainbowSuperfund Feb 2013 #68
I think Stewart should have pushed harder. madfloridian Feb 2013 #36
I'm not going to watch part 2 progressoid Feb 2013 #22
Try RT, Al-Jazeera and Democracy Now for news just1voice Feb 2013 #20
Amen... ReRe Feb 2013 #34
I have to question the sanity of a woman who swatted a bee in her classroom then ate it in front JaneyVee Feb 2013 #2
Yep, the "Bee-eater" herself. madfloridian Feb 2013 #3
Didn't she also duct tape a kid to a chair? Squinch Feb 2013 #26
She laughed and said she put tape on their mouths. madfloridian Feb 2013 #46
Oh. Ha ha ha. Squinch Feb 2013 #47
may she choke on the coals she's about to be dragged acrossed leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #4
"allegations not yet made public"...i can't wait. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #5
A hearty toast to Adell Cothorne. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #6
I join you in that toast. madfloridian Feb 2013 #9
From the comments at Jersey Jazzman's post, quote from a link. Stunning. madfloridian Feb 2013 #7
Bingo! ReRe Feb 2013 #35
There is so much at each blogger's links. They've done amazing research. madfloridian Feb 2013 #37
thank you Adell Cothorne liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #8
piss on Michelle Rhee KG Feb 2013 #10
Works for me.......... NT Ernesto Feb 2013 #11
She might like it. formercia Feb 2013 #16
K&R, MadFlo Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #15
Just visited your pic of the day site at Smug Mug. madfloridian Feb 2013 #48
Oh, thanks. Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #49
Kicked and Rec'd n/t FloriTexan Feb 2013 #17
Thank you. madfloridian Feb 2013 #42
I'd never heard of Rhee before TDS last night OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #18
I am actually very glad to hear this. I have been watching her for years, and it's been like one of Squinch Feb 2013 #27
Yeah the whole time I was watching OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #32
Ha. That was a great movie. madfloridian Feb 2013 #38
I know right? OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #39
Book Radical is available for review on Amazon kmlisle Feb 2013 #23
Wow, I bet Rhee is cringing over those reviews. madfloridian Feb 2013 #40
wow. 21 1's, 3 5's. how times have changed, eh? little golden girl no more. where's the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #52
There's one that says bad reviews are from teacher union trolls. madfloridian Feb 2013 #54
even if they are, that's more action than there would have been where rhee was the toast HiPointDem Feb 2013 #55
There are even more good ones when I go back and check. madfloridian Feb 2013 #57
Recommend jsr Feb 2013 #24
Sadly as with most things that would upset the right Smilo Feb 2013 #25
I got some blurb from her last week, thanking me for my support. Frustratedlady Feb 2013 #28
You might have signed the petition for Students First accidentally. madfloridian Feb 2013 #29
Well, then...I'll fight back by spreading how I feel about her. Frustratedlady Feb 2013 #30
I think it was generally worded about putting students first. Sounded good. madfloridian Feb 2013 #31
She's RHEE-diculous. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2013 #41
And more at Outside the Box. madfloridian Feb 2013 #43
From the Frontline story- hay rick Feb 2013 #44
Our district kept tests locked in the office until minutes before. madfloridian Feb 2013 #45
As a long-time lurker, I have read many of your posts jazzimov Feb 2013 #50
Please do not use the talking points words "status quo". madfloridian Feb 2013 #51
status quo is NOT WORKING reteachinwi Feb 2013 #53
Lurker demands comforting answers, offers cliches as a starting point. hay rick Feb 2013 #56
Thank you for your support of Mad Floridian, that fly-by-night seems like a charter shill to me. diane in sf Feb 2013 #58
Thanks for the last part. Appreciated. madfloridian Feb 2013 #60
I find it ironic that the more "reform" our schools get Nevernose Feb 2013 #59
Most "reformers" are not trying to reward good teachers. senseandsensibility Feb 2013 #66
A hearty amen to that. madfloridian Feb 2013 #78
I can see that everyone dislikes Michele Rhee... Blanks Feb 2013 #61
You seem to be reading between the lines. hay rick Feb 2013 #62
The first mention I read was this... Blanks Feb 2013 #64
Yes, Jon Stewart did go easy on her. No one ever really challenges her at all. madfloridian Feb 2013 #63
I have no particular affection for her. Blanks Feb 2013 #65
Tell me how public schools can afford good PR when they are losing money to privateers. madfloridian Feb 2013 #69
I appreciate your position on this. Blanks Feb 2013 #70
First, define the problem. hay rick Feb 2013 #71
When confronted with the question: Blanks Feb 2013 #73
Yes, it's reality now. madfloridian Feb 2013 #72
I don't support all of the privatization. Blanks Feb 2013 #75
I love cupcakes and loathe Michelle Rhee obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #67
Bob Somerby does very good work on this subject as well. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #74
She laughed while Jon Stewart talked about teachers being fired. Erose999 Feb 2013 #76
News that Michelle Rhee's lawyered up just made my day. ;-) leveymg Feb 2013 #77
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