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OnyxCollie

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94. "Education is teaching things that are true;
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:57 PM
Feb 2013

propaganda is teaching
things that are false. As a first comment
on this proposition, one is
tempted to repeat Pilate's question.
Yet the unpleasant connotation of the
term" propaganda" is due in considerable
measure to the notion that it is
synonymous with deception. Much
evidence to support this contention
can be advanced. Advertising propagandists
resist the establishment of
publicly administered tests and standards
by which their unsupported
claims can be measured. Medical
frauds flood print and air with meretricious
claims. Political and economic
quackery speed on winged feet over
every avenue of communication.

On the other hand, much that is
characterized as propaganda comprises
undeniable facts. Mr. Brisbane
points out the relative smallness of
our airplane defenses. Is this propaganda?
The conclusion that we should
immensely enhance our expenditures
on military and naval aircraft may be
argumentative, but it is not essen-
tially deception. The Junior Chamber
of Commerce urges that the use
of school buildings be denied to Communist
groups. Whether or not the
practice thus urged is sound public
policy is a matter of opinion, not fact.
Mr. Hearst (as Mr. Coolidge did in his
Delineator articles, when Vice-President)
declares that our colleges are
permeated with "reds." This may or
may not be a fact, according to the
definition given to the term "red."
What the facts mean, and what should
be done about them, if anything, are
matters of opinion.

It should be pointed out, moreover,
that not everything taught in the
schools can be definitely labeled as
fact. Perhaps the data of mathematics
are facts; yet the examples given
for solution in any given textbook of
arithmetic or algebra may-can, in
truth-scarcely escape embodying a
point of view concerning economic institutions.
A school reader containing
stories of the lives of great men
may inculcate Carlylean individualism;
a community civics may, on the
other hand, stress ideals of cooperation
and the importance of the group. A
high school economics text (if it be
several years old) may indicate that
the Federal Reserve Act made depressions
impossible or unlikely. Through
all the writing and teaching of the
social subjects runs inevitably a current
of interpretation. The spoils system
may be described as an evil that
should be abolished; it may be stated
that the Supreme Court interprets,
but never makes law; the Spanish-American
War may be referred to
as a humanitarian undertaking designed
to save Cubans from oppression.
These are not facts, but opinions
about facts."

Wooddy, C. H. (1935). Education and propaganda. Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Sciences, 179, p. 228, 229.

Your stance on rejecting propaganda does not surprise me.

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Propaganda. [View all] woo me with science Feb 2013 OP
The kind of madness I used to think was reserved for places like FR. K&R whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #1
Some people hate when other people disagree with them. n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #3
No, I hate it when they disagree with whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #7
The Constitution ProSense Feb 2013 #11
Joke whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #14
Denial is not virtue. n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #15
Lol! Irony Overload! n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #16
LMAO totally. nt laundry_queen Feb 2013 #35
I agree nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #20
I try not to jump into these little popularity contests. ProSense Feb 2013 #36
The irony is that this was 2007... nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #39
ProSense? Why do you argue with people determined to live in their own reality? ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2013 #46
i see, so because there is precedent, it must be right. tomp Feb 2013 #70
Because there is precedent, that is the correct interpretation... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2013 #108
sorry, no credence given to immoral laws. tomp Feb 2013 #111
Trial, conviction, then execution. Due process. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #75
Denial is not in question. However colluding with the destruction of rights is. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #96
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither". Benjamin Franklin. Fuddnik Feb 2013 #21
^^^^____^^^^ This. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #37
Yes, we are. woo me with science Feb 2013 #67
"...deserve neither, truebluegreen Feb 2013 #76
Problem is our president is claiming imminent danger too frequently. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #63
100% in agreement with you, Prosense BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #83
When the OP says to be wary of propanda, I think he meant you. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #91
Ahhh. The essence of apologist's everywhere. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #95
I hate it when poster use things like GD and don't type them out. What the F is GD? xtraxritical Feb 2013 #55
I'll second that Dismalindistress Feb 2013 #78
GD = General Discussion (Forum) Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #79
So where were the people defending Bush policy G_j Feb 2013 #10
They were busy being brainwashed... ReRe Feb 2013 #51
Does the thread topic makes you feel a bit defensive? n/t brentspeak Feb 2013 #59
That isn't even a refutation. sibelian Feb 2013 #65
As long as Republicans make Attila the Hun look like Mother Teresa, we have the potential for Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #92
Absolutely rejected. Catherina Feb 2013 #2
Remember anybody who disagrees with this is either a el_bryanto Feb 2013 #4
How true nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #27
Rec'd, millions more people need to understand they're being duped just1voice Feb 2013 #5
Thanks for posting the definition... ReRe Feb 2013 #53
K&R idwiyo Feb 2013 #6
"Some of us don't equate terrorists to ordinary Americans." The Link Feb 2013 #8
Did you know DHS and PDs consider Occupy Wall Street to be potential terrorists? Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #13
I'm wondering how long it will be before the first domestic drone strike... rwsanders Feb 2013 #49
+100000 Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2013 #50
Exactly! ReRe Feb 2013 #54
exactly. nt tomp Feb 2013 #71
Oh brave new world pscot Feb 2013 #73
Link of a reputable news source stating something even close to what you have said. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #101
... Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #103
I covered that link. And it is a reputable news source. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #105
You may have missed the last three paragraphs of the LA Times article. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #106
You don't need to answer anymore of my replies... NCTraveler Feb 2013 #107
Thank you for your links and information, woo me with science Feb 2013 #109
Thank you as well. And I'm sure we're aware when someone, anyone, is simply acting in hopes of Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #110
Hey kids! Spot the apparatchik! OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #9
Thanks you for posting RC Feb 2013 #28
Can't post that often enough. woo me with science Feb 2013 #42
Thanks for posting this... ReRe Feb 2013 #56
amusingly, this is precisely what They accuse anyone bringing up drones of doing MisterP Feb 2013 #88
Great Repost....Particularly at this time... KoKo Feb 2013 #102
Fucking recced and kicked ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #12
What a nice well rounded grouping of catch phrases and broad judgement. Zax2me Feb 2013 #17
They're still out to make us eat this fucking company town elephant one bite at a time. ancianita Feb 2013 #18
You have a way with words. woo me with science Feb 2013 #74
Just you wait. theaocp Feb 2013 #19
A Republican can only regain power if the opposition party is made so disenchanted BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #82
Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Feb 2013 #22
WOO ME KNOWS THE SCORE Skittles Feb 2013 #23
Who we voting for in 2016? JoePhilly Feb 2013 #24
No One, we will all be dead at this rate unless you're a 1%er (hyperbole) nt Drew Richards Feb 2013 #26
Hitler and Stalin have nothing on the billionaire plutocracy. Initech Feb 2013 #25
DURec leftstreet Feb 2013 #29
I remember hurricane Katrina at DU RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #30
Kick and Rec! fleabiscuit Feb 2013 #31
I just can't wait until I get my check in the mail... Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #32
First they came for terrorists (Muslims), JEB Feb 2013 #33
They call drone killing wise?! Killing is NEVER WISE, EVER! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #34
Amen ReRe Feb 2013 #60
Don't drink the koolaid blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #38
Propaganda is a sub-set of information. It's always designed to spin a viewpoint, and that's... slackmaster Feb 2013 #40
"Education is teaching things that are true; OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #94
Indeed. Tyrants love those folks LittleBlue Feb 2013 #41
D'accord. marmar Feb 2013 #43
Why, just today we were all assured that the use of such strikes would be "conscientious" Maven Feb 2013 #44
Droney approves this message lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #45
Absolutist Fascism. Recognize it. Reject it. Make a stand for freedom. THINK for yourself. nt patrice Feb 2013 #47
Message auto-removed Mrznjajecistoca Feb 2013 #48
I do reject the propaganda. ReRe Feb 2013 #52
These things always progress. So what's next? Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #57
Climate change, Earth becoming more like Venus. Amonester Feb 2013 #61
Well done, Woo! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #58
From Manny Goldstein?! :) woo me with science Feb 2013 #66
The NDAA Legalizes The Use Of Propaganda On The US Public Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #62
I cannot adequately convey the nausea and despair woo me with science Feb 2013 #64
Under the Obama administration, the Pentagon found no fault OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #93
Yes. So what are we going to do about it? BillyJack Feb 2013 #68
I totally disagree! SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #69
America Reduced To Dumb And Dumber -Let The Cheerleading Begin cantbeserious Feb 2013 #72
Hey! Try to carve out a little joy or cheer for yourself already. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #77
^^LOL. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #98
Propaganda is even more effective online marions ghost Feb 2013 #80
well said liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #81
Alex Carey Octafish Feb 2013 #84
Propaganda, yes. Excellent, awesome, stellar post. You totally rock more each day, woo. Zorra Feb 2013 #85
propaganda, street definition russ1943 Feb 2013 #86
"This news" = what? Link please. (nt) philly_bob Feb 2013 #87
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #89
We have a large contingent of the "Father Knows Best" wing of the party here. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #90
I am not on board with this policy. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #97
kick CrispyQ Feb 2013 #99
well said nt. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #100
I say reject divisive bunk like this. great white snark Feb 2013 #104
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