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Harmony Blue

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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:03 PM Feb 2013

Terrorism is not warfare [View all]

It is clear that DU is sharply divided lately and I figure I would toss my hat in the ring.

Let me point out that the greek word for Terrorism is "traumacrates". Basically the goal of one labeled as a traumacrates is to instill maximum trauma as possible. For what gain?

This is where people have different defintions of terrorism and the mass disagreement comes in. From my view, it is to try to enact political change or political pressure for a cause or highlight a political movement to the forefront.

Someonw will ask the obvious....don't freedom fighters fall under this category or guerrilas? Indeed, but a terrorist doesn't specifically target enemy combatants most of the time, but civilians to maximize terror (and they are an easier target). Thus, terrorists are not really combatants. Terrorists can target enemy combatants, but if most of their acts are carried out against civilian populations or civilian buildings what they are doing is not warfare, but a crime.

Terrorism isn't assymetrical warfare when civlians are the target and they can't fight back against such crimes. Mass shooting in the U.S. are not labeled terrorism but crimes. The U.S. doesn't label these mass killers as terrorists or enemies of the state.

"The war on terror" is a phrase is used to conflate crime with combat and that is why this is scary to me as a citizen of the United States. When you blur the line like that you are inviting trouble. This is why so many on DU were against Bush labeling terrorists as enemy combatants, and now we see that the Obama adminstration has foolishly gone the same path. Kerry had it right long ago, and I stand by his take on this.

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Terrorism is not warfare [View all] Harmony Blue Feb 2013 OP
What good does that definition change do? Recursion Feb 2013 #1
Terrorism isn't what won WWII for example Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #2
No, but it's why Ireland is 26/32nds free Recursion Feb 2013 #4
Real political change in Ireland happened Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #6
Yes, terrorism has so far only been effective when combined with politics Recursion Feb 2013 #7
It is not the combination though Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #9
I totally disagree. Neither the ANC nor Sinn Fein would have gotten anywhere without violence Recursion Feb 2013 #11
Not every man, woman and child in Japan was willing to die Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #10
That's really not true at all. Terror was absolutely critical to the outcome of WWII RZM Feb 2013 #15
I respectfully disagree Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #21
Yes it was RZM Feb 2013 #22
Had Stalin not done the purge of the Soviet air force officers Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #24
Not really. The purge of the military was only part of the story RZM Feb 2013 #31
"hey were willing to die to protect their country down to every man, woman and child. " Bonobo Feb 2013 #19
It is not non sense or propaganda. Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #25
Compounding your lie by pretending that Lemay wasn't intentionally creating a firestorm? Bonobo Feb 2013 #26
They intentionally did know how to generate a firestorm Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #29
the sympathy towards the guerrillas or fear of (your "terrorism") are both tools of war NightWatcher Feb 2013 #3
After WWII using fear on population centers was deeply frowned upon Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #5
Rules for war??? (Geneva aside) NightWatcher Feb 2013 #14
The Chief Point Of Dispute Here, Sir: 'Terrorists' Are Combatants, But Criminal Combatants The Magistrate Feb 2013 #8
I say all warfare is terrorism. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #12
Labeling all warfare as terrorism is a common Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #17
Fair enough. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #20
Why are you pointing out the Greek word for terrorism? Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #13
Fair question Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #16
The S.O.P. for US foreign relations for at least the last century baldguy Feb 2013 #18
This nation was founded by terrorists. The movement toward independence was propelled by terrorists. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #23
In the modern era we make a distinction Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #27
Nothing new. 18th century England made the same distinction and they weren't Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #32
Three words Fumesucker Feb 2013 #28
That can absolutely fall under the Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #30
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