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91. I'd be willing to listen to it

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:38 PM

Jan 2012

if he were inclined to actually for whatever reason suggest war with Iran and hear what his rationale is for it. Thankfully, I don't believe he is interested in doing so now or in the future. The only people really pushing for war are (surprise, surprise) the same damned people whom told us repeatedly that it was essential to invade/occupy Iraq to eliminate WMDs and that picking up the pieces from the invasion and leaving would be simple. Thankfully, Obama simply doesn't belong to their cabal nor interested in membership therein. The only reason that I would ever actually support going to war with Iran or anybody else would be if they actually initiated an attack on us and/or one of our allies (i.e. Israel). Building nuclear weapons (which is unquestionably questionable in the case of Iran) is NOT (or should not be) prima facie justification for going to war with ANY country IMHO.

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If President Obama goes to war with Iran, would you be open to listening to the case for it? [View all] BrentWil Jan 2012 OP

Non-starter. northoftheborder Jan 2012 #1

Not just NO, but hell NO.n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2012 #2

If President Obama rapes a goat on the White House lawn... TheWraith Jan 2012 #3

indeed. you beat me too it. though i hadn't thought of the goat thing. nt nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #8

Do you have proof the act was not consensual? nt jody Jan 2012 #15

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the possible PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #102

A staffer testing the waters? wakemewhenitsover Jan 2012 #22

Given Obama's intervention in Libya and his expansion of the war in Afghanistan... Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #27

Given your distortion of the facts, I would rule out your opinion as being very valid. TheWraith Jan 2012 #40

My distortion of facts? Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #51

"...a handful of airstrikes on a dying regime..." Neue Regel Jan 2012 #64

and yours is a poor attempt fascisthunter Jan 2012 #92

Talk about distortion! PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #103

Yeah, thats why I asked. I think war is possible whoever is elected in 2012 BrentWil Jan 2012 #75

And his most ardent fans would support it. PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #100

"Plook?" Joe's Garage, right? n/t dogknob Jan 2012 #101

Yes PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #111

+1 JoePhilly Jan 2012 #88

A more nuanced and more likely question would be " If Israel or Iran strike the other, morningfog Jan 2012 #119

Always. They know far more than we do. I probably wouldn't agree and would gateley Jan 2012 #4

DU has been claiming imminent war with iran for 6 years running. it isn't going to happen. dionysus Jan 2012 #5

+1 n/t tammywammy Jan 2012 #12

There is nothing wrong with being proactively antiwar in this day and age think Jan 2012 #23

"nothing wrong with being proactively antiwar"! That's the ONLY moral position . nt jody Jan 2012 #29

being anti-war and crying wolf about war are two seperate things. dionysus Jan 2012 #50

The best wars never happen. When Seymour Hersh think Jan 2012 #66

What about a preemptive war based on the truth? Possible? NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #77

Possible but unlikely. More likely another Gulf of Tonkin incident: think Jan 2012 #82

Closer to 8 now, actually. TheWraith Jan 2012 #24

The neocons have been trying to invade Iran for forty years. It remains a strong possibility. BlueIris Jan 2012 #45

i understand that. but here we used to have Sy Hersch saying all the time that he had the inside dionysus Jan 2012 #47

Not so sure BrentWil Jan 2012 #76

I wouldn't be happy, I'd be suspicious, Ilsa Jan 2012 #6

Only if he and his wife lead the assault troops. nt jody Jan 2012 #7

No. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #9

Nope. The excuse would be bullshit and dry ice. Bonobo Jan 2012 #10

I would always be open to hear his logic, but it would be absolutely insane no matter what teddy51 Jan 2012 #11

H... NO!!!! That is all. nanabugg Jan 2012 #13

No more unilateral Bush Doctrines in the ME. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #14

pfffftttt...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #16

No, and that includes if Iran does something that seems fishy quinnox Jan 2012 #17

No. NCTraveler Jan 2012 #18

I guess I would have to. Seeing as I would be deployed. Muskypundit Jan 2012 #19

Of course I'd listen to the case for it. I may not agree, .... Lil Missy Jan 2012 #20

I tend to agree BrentWil Jan 2012 #78

No. Absolutely not. PDJane Jan 2012 #21

The President doesn't have the authority to go to war The Second Stone Jan 2012 #25

No, no, no, a thousand times no! I am sick of war!!! n/t RebelOne Jan 2012 #26

Yes, I'm willing to listen. PragmaticLiberal Jan 2012 #28

Only if he has his cowboy boots on and Colin Powell to back him up and flags..lots of flags. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #30

Are you a republican? nt Zorra Jan 2012 #31

No bigwillq Jan 2012 #32

I'd listen of course, that's a key to our democracy. boxman15 Jan 2012 #33

I am open to LISTENING to any case for something. But unless Iran attacks us.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #34

How would Iran attack us? rusty fender Jan 2012 #110

Gee, I don't know. Those sill Taliban didn't have much, eithr. Gee, I just can't guess. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #112

The Taliban never attcked the US on our soil. morningfog Jan 2012 #116

Oh HELL NO MichiganVote Jan 2012 #35

The whole Iran thing smells bad, like something we've been through before ... it would take RKP5637 Jan 2012 #36

If I was bored, I might listen. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #37

he`s not going to go to war with iran madrchsod Jan 2012 #38

Iran would have to directly attack Houston, TX before I'm interested in discussing your "war". nt TBF Jan 2012 #39

Not a fucking chance superpatriotman Jan 2012 #41

Insane question. NO. MORE. WAR. BlueIris Jan 2012 #42

Nope. toddwv Jan 2012 #43

Fuck no. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #44

Fucks to the No. Iggo Jan 2012 #46

No....we've had enough corporate war for a while, give it a rest....n/t unkachuck Jan 2012 #48

Non starter without a direct attack. Hatchling Jan 2012 #49

No. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #52

Sure raouldukelives Jan 2012 #53

you mean a good reason like Iraq has the capacity to hit the US within so many minutes? newspeak Jan 2012 #114

That's why we only fight poor people whose land has resources raouldukelives Jan 2012 #120

I would be willing to listen to the case rudycantfail Jan 2012 #54

need critical thinking here riverwalker Jan 2012 #55

I disagree... BrentWil Jan 2012 #79

remember Nada? riverwalker Jan 2012 #56

Iran is extremely unique... BrentWil Jan 2012 #80

Nope. Next question. mmonk Jan 2012 #57

No fujiyama Jan 2012 #58

I think it would rival Hitler's invasion of the USSR in its insanity. Exactly how coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #63

would we maintain supply lines for our forces? BrentWil Jan 2012 #81

it would break my heart and I would fear for the future Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #59

There is no such thing as a righteous case for war that needs explaining. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #60

In what venue? An Impeachment hearing? The Hague? (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Jan 2012 #62

Pshaww.... If President Obama wants to go to war with Iran, it's in our best interest. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #65

Sure, I'll listen. MrSlayer Jan 2012 #67

He needs to make a case before he starts any war. n/t isuphighyeah Jan 2012 #68

Not only is there no case for it--it would be one of the stupidest acts in Am. history Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #69

War is relative metalbot Jan 2012 #70

Would Iran close off the Straits of Hormuz if Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #71

Nukes are not useful as a deterrent against the US (or Israel) without second-strike capability Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #85

Do you know WHY they might do that? Iran is being threatened with deadly sanctions sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #74

No, not at all slay Jan 2012 #72

No, there is about the same reason for a war with Iran as there was for the Iraq War. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #73

NO (nt) Tumbulu Jan 2012 #83

If Iran invades another country, then yes Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #84

+1 Very logical response. I like your outlook and hope you are correct. think Jan 2012 #86

Does He Have A Casus Belli? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2012 #87

NO! sarcasmo Jan 2012 #89

No. n/t area51 Jan 2012 #90

I'd be willing to listen to it Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #91

no! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #93

Unless Cheney and Bush Sr make him do a false flag? Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2012 #94

We are not "going to war" with Iran. DCBob Jan 2012 #95

President Obama is not and I repeat is not going to got to war with Iran madokie Jan 2012 #96

I don't know - I am a firm believer that overstretch is what brings empires down. I also will say jwirr Jan 2012 #97

I guess I should answer... BrentWil Jan 2012 #98

If? He won't. Period. Rex Jan 2012 #99

no. barbtries Jan 2012 #104

No - I Am Tired Of War And The Excuses For War! cantbeserious Jan 2012 #105

Not no but hell no! Alot will depend on how Obama is doing in the lead up to election in November. Citizen Worker Jan 2012 #106

An embargo is an act of war. So technically, we're already in war with Iran. Galle Jan 2012 #107

I don't think it's our place to question our leaders. Bucky Jan 2012 #108

No. I'm tired of death and destruction unapatriciated Jan 2012 #109

Non starter. nt pecwae Jan 2012 #113

Non Starter mdmc Jan 2012 #115

I agree, but then the question becomes what qualifies as an Iranian attack. morningfog Jan 2012 #117

non starter mdmc Jan 2012 #121

Iran is no threat.. sendero Jan 2012 #118