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KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
17. Dangerous Precedents...
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:55 AM
Feb 2013

There's several issues here that people seem to be trying to rolling into one...let me try to separate some key ones.

Firstly, drones are the latest and definitely not the last new technology that is changing how war is conducted. If we are at "war" (which hasn't been declared since 1941...subject for another time) then if this technology saves our soldier's lives and hastens the end of the conflict, then its use is not only justified it should be encouraged. It also serves as a valuable surveliance tool that promises to get more evasive as better cameras and other sensors are developed. The technology won't go away and is proliferating...other countries are looking to add drones to their military...and this leads to the next point.

We're using drones in what many would consider outside the "theater of war". There's no international laws governing the use of this technology and could easily lead to the escalation of "third world" wars as weaponized drones controlled from hundreds or thousands of miles away duke it out with civilians in the crossfire. The international community needs to look into this issue as we'll see more use of this technology in the future.

The last matter is the invasion of American privacy that drones present. Also the ability of a government to target American citizens without any due process who they deem as an "imminent threat". I'll be honest...I was not satisfied with Holder's explanation or with Brennan avoiding using the word "torture" while trying to denounce it. There needs to be oversight on using this or any new technology against American citizens. If they're threats...then get a warrant from a judge or panel. While I may trust this administration in their judgement in using drones, that may not be the case with a rushpublican in that position.

Cheers...

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I find both disgusting. n/t MuseRider Feb 2013 #1
Why? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #2
Exactly. They could use surface-to-air missles and destroy the FSogol Feb 2013 #3
"Drone Derangement Syndrome" cleanhippie Feb 2013 #6
Sure. Many claim to be on the Democratic/Liberal side. FSogol Feb 2013 #8
You're probably right. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #11
Give me a break. Drone killings aren't about Dems or Pugs think Feb 2013 #38
Righteous rant. ronnie624 Feb 2013 #41
"I suspect that Drone Derangement Syndrome is more about bashing the administration to depress MuseRider Feb 2013 #23
Laughable. There are 100 anti-Obama threads at the moment. FSogol Feb 2013 #24
How about 100 anti Obama policy threads. MuseRider Feb 2013 #27
Thank you. Like Pugs will be better with drones. They'll be MUCH worse think Feb 2013 #39
please NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #30
So people who believe that using Drones to kill SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #43
Because it's too easy to kill. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #4
Is the rifle a more disgusting weapon than an sword, then? nt el_bryanto Feb 2013 #5
Any weapon used to take life is equally disgusting. polly7 Feb 2013 #18
In many, if not most cases, a manned aircraft can achieve the same result. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #7
Killing, war all those great things we do so well. MuseRider Feb 2013 #15
"... it leads us to become more irrational in our use. " cleanhippie Feb 2013 #19
yes-- well put NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #34
The word 'drone' sounds sinister. randome Feb 2013 #9
really? NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #36
I'm sure many are honestly upset. I phrased my post inelegantly. randome Feb 2013 #37
ok, fair enough NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #42
Tell this to him: think Feb 2013 #40
This issue is like flypaper for our "sensible" posters. Romulox Feb 2013 #10
I guess I shouldn't be shocked by the kinds of things defended on DU.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #12
Some people know what buttons to push Recursion Feb 2013 #13
Well, there's probably no way to stop the advancement of the tech. longship Feb 2013 #14
Policy mostly. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #16
Dangerous Precedents... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #17
Civilians are ALWAYS in the crossfire. randome Feb 2013 #20
Great post, great points! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #21
Here's the perverse bit: every generation of technology has promised to make war quicker... Recursion Feb 2013 #22
Both for me. I find the policies more pressing but both are terribly dangerous TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #25
Spot on! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #26
Drones are cheap and overused to carry out a bad policy (extrajudicial execution of US Citizens) leveymg Feb 2013 #28
I tend to agree with you. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #29
Easy fix. All it takes is a new Executive Order by Obama to correct the EO that created this mess. leveymg Feb 2013 #31
It would seem to be that easy, wouldn't it? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #33
There are stakeholders who are wedded to the new status quo - they need to be overruled. leveymg Feb 2013 #35
Neither cbrer Feb 2013 #32
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