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TheKentuckian

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25. Both for me. I find the policies more pressing but both are terribly dangerous
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:17 AM
Feb 2013

The drones are just a a tool logic doesn't mesh to me in no small part because of the arguments in their favor like protecting American lives, cost efficiency, saving us from engaging troops in ground battles, families are not divided and asked to sacrifice, and yes even the relative cleanness of the attacks.

All that makes war safe, cheap, easy to proliferate, bloodless, and the real nitty gritty decisions to kill in too few and ever fewer hands. When AI is combined with drones and mechs on the ground then the loop will be tiny of those who can say no or at least no more.

War is supposed to have real costs, it is supposed to be disruptive and inconvenient, war is supposed to send home broken minds and bodies. War is supposed to leave a mark on souls and conflicts to conscience. War is supposed to demand sacrifice from populations. When terrible crimes are committed there are supposed to be human minds that can say no and tell the truth. There is supposed to be risk, if there is no risk there are little in the way of costs then wars of literal whimsy are available to us.

Drones make perpetual war more plausible, autonomous battle droids all but guarantee it. It is not my goal to make it easier, cheaper, less painful, and sanitized. Wars should have human constraints and skin should be in the game, no skin means it is too damn easy to say yes and keep saying yes and more please.

I also understand that genies don't so easily go back into bottles, we allow proliferation and advancement of this shit and there will be a day that such things are abused, it won't be a damn thing to be done. Never agree to make your long adds zero while removing legal and logistical limits on power. Concentration of power comes with serious risks, the circle of deciders becomes too small and the costs become too easy to hide.

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I find both disgusting. n/t MuseRider Feb 2013 #1
Why? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #2
Exactly. They could use surface-to-air missles and destroy the FSogol Feb 2013 #3
"Drone Derangement Syndrome" cleanhippie Feb 2013 #6
Sure. Many claim to be on the Democratic/Liberal side. FSogol Feb 2013 #8
You're probably right. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #11
Give me a break. Drone killings aren't about Dems or Pugs think Feb 2013 #38
Righteous rant. ronnie624 Feb 2013 #41
"I suspect that Drone Derangement Syndrome is more about bashing the administration to depress MuseRider Feb 2013 #23
Laughable. There are 100 anti-Obama threads at the moment. FSogol Feb 2013 #24
How about 100 anti Obama policy threads. MuseRider Feb 2013 #27
Thank you. Like Pugs will be better with drones. They'll be MUCH worse think Feb 2013 #39
please NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #30
So people who believe that using Drones to kill SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #43
Because it's too easy to kill. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #4
Is the rifle a more disgusting weapon than an sword, then? nt el_bryanto Feb 2013 #5
Any weapon used to take life is equally disgusting. polly7 Feb 2013 #18
In many, if not most cases, a manned aircraft can achieve the same result. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #7
Killing, war all those great things we do so well. MuseRider Feb 2013 #15
"... it leads us to become more irrational in our use. " cleanhippie Feb 2013 #19
yes-- well put NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #34
The word 'drone' sounds sinister. randome Feb 2013 #9
really? NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #36
I'm sure many are honestly upset. I phrased my post inelegantly. randome Feb 2013 #37
ok, fair enough NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #42
Tell this to him: think Feb 2013 #40
This issue is like flypaper for our "sensible" posters. Romulox Feb 2013 #10
I guess I shouldn't be shocked by the kinds of things defended on DU.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #12
Some people know what buttons to push Recursion Feb 2013 #13
Well, there's probably no way to stop the advancement of the tech. longship Feb 2013 #14
Policy mostly. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #16
Dangerous Precedents... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #17
Civilians are ALWAYS in the crossfire. randome Feb 2013 #20
Great post, great points! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #21
Here's the perverse bit: every generation of technology has promised to make war quicker... Recursion Feb 2013 #22
Both for me. I find the policies more pressing but both are terribly dangerous TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #25
Spot on! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #26
Drones are cheap and overused to carry out a bad policy (extrajudicial execution of US Citizens) leveymg Feb 2013 #28
I tend to agree with you. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #29
Easy fix. All it takes is a new Executive Order by Obama to correct the EO that created this mess. leveymg Feb 2013 #31
It would seem to be that easy, wouldn't it? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #33
There are stakeholders who are wedded to the new status quo - they need to be overruled. leveymg Feb 2013 #35
Neither cbrer Feb 2013 #32
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