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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
37. welcome back old friend! haven't seen you since DU2 days, was concerned you got lost
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jan 2012

Gold and silver have been money and a constant store of wealth for 6000 years. For both poor and rich alike. All fiat currencies regimes die, most before they turn 40 to 50 years old. This time will be no different. The die is already cast, many trillions ago. The main fear I have is the global war to save the petrol-dollar linkage that the US may very well start.

The exodus is already beginning, look at all the bi-lateral non-dollar trade deals for oil, etc that China, India, Russia, Brasil, Iran, soon Japan, etc are entering into. The US is thus forced, thru the Fed, to offer trillions more in EU dollar swaps and other bailouts just to keep the EU on the dollar teat. Have fun as an American paying for those trillions given to the Eurozone. It's all the same group of banksters anyway.

And, in summation, I still never have, nor will I ever, support Ron Paul, as you have claimed oh so many times. I am a left libertarian socialist, but you already know this.


In fact, listen to this mp3 on how to actually counter him with cold, hard facts, so simple that anyone can grasp.

Critique of Ron Paul's Austerity Plan

http://archives.kpfa.org/data/20111228-Wed1300.mp3

Look at his proposed budget cuts ($1 trillion in first year):

http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf


Paul's bigest issue is being anti-war, anti-empire (an admirable thing). BUT, he only proposes to cut 15% from the baseline Department of Defense budget.

At the same time look at his huge cuts in programmes that are some of the few last lines between the US and an utter collapse and violent civil unrest on a grand scale. (go to the bottum of page 6 on the link above).

Medicaid 47% cut

SCHIP (Low Income Children Health Insurance) 47% cut

Food Stamps (almost 50 million US citizens) 60% cut

WIC 36% cut


Just these 4 programme cuts would be disastrous and amount to the deaths of millions of US citizens in the near and midterm future. Perhaps the goals of paring down government is admirable in certain areas, but you cannot turn around the Titanic in a swimming pool. This is what the immediate imposition of right-wing libertarian scrapping of government in the blink of an eye would be. It would take a decade or much longer of reform to change the entire infrastructure and mindset of the US. It will never happen under the current system, and Paul's proposals are borderline insane in their rush to kill off aid whilst not having anything to replace it.

The true shame is that an anti-war, anti-empire agenda is being solely trumpeted (and will be somewhat discredited due to Paul's inherent flaws) on a large national stage by only one candidate for Republican POTUS, and not the huge majority of Democrats (President Obama, are you listening?).

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1/13/12 The Occupy Movement is not associated with Ron Paul, or his supporters, Zorra Jan 2012 #1
Wonderful post. Rex Jan 2012 #31
They sound a bit like the SWP in the UK Ebadlun Jan 2012 #51
The Federal Reserve is run by and for the big banks. AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #2
Central banking serves numerous purposes both public and private. Major Nikon Jan 2012 #6
The Fed doesn't work for the people of the US. It works for the banks and Wall Street. nt AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #7
It does work for you Major Nikon Jan 2012 #8
Spare me your nonsense! AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #12
You lost me with your subject line Major Nikon Jan 2012 #13
Translation: you believe what you believe regardless of facts. TheWraith Jan 2012 #14
+10000000000 , so many suffer suffer from normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance stockholmer Jan 2012 #17
btw, I do have to say you subject line is a little harsh, tis easier to catch flies with honey than stockholmer Jan 2012 #19
I was responding to the poster's "sweetly" condescending tone of voice. AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #26
You know so little for someone with a degree banned from Kos Jan 2012 #28
Logic and facts are wasted on those with a closed mind Major Nikon Jan 2012 #34
LOLOL!!!--> "not to monkey with the yield curve" ahhh Operation Twist? go study up, as in Econ 101 stockholmer Jan 2012 #40
Ya gotta love it when someone says, "you really need to read up..." Major Nikon Jan 2012 #42
typical, so typical, you didn't address one thing of subtance, the bottom line is the poster stockholmer Jan 2012 #44
So why can't you find any liberal or even moderate sources to back up your claims? Major Nikon Jan 2012 #47
Dr Steve Keen, Dr Michael Hudson, Dr Hyman Minsky, Dr Donald Markwell, Dr Paul Ormerod etc stockholmer Jan 2012 #49
You also claimed Ron Paul doesn't advocate a return to a gold standard, except that he does Major Nikon Jan 2012 #50
Paul (I do not support him, btw) does not advocate a return to gold standard, he stockholmer Jan 2012 #18
And the "competing currency" is based on gold Major Nikon Jan 2012 #27
Perhaps a return to the basic functions of the Fed may help you banned from Kos Jan 2012 #30
Nationalize the Fed, rip it away from the private money changers who own it and you, here they are: stockholmer Jan 2012 #39
You're parroting a free market loon who claims Social Security is "One of the Great Scams!" Major Nikon Jan 2012 #43
again, you offer NOTHING of substance, nothing of factual rebuttal, just more tired false ad hominem stockholmer Jan 2012 #45
The author you parroted damn sure did have something to say about Social Security being a scam Major Nikon Jan 2012 #48
btw, in this post (on this very same thread) I attack Paul hard from THE LEFT stockholmer Jan 2012 #46
You don't have to be a Libertarian to understand the evil behind this Zalatix Jan 2012 #41
It's fine for people on the right to join, no? David__77 Jan 2012 #3
This was clear to a lot of us from the very beginning. The Ron Paul signs were a dead giveaway. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #4
Oh noes! The Occupy movement sullied by Paul! Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #5
Since OWS has no agenda and no leadership... randome Jan 2012 #9
Except the message. Galraedia Jan 2012 #10
True, not to mention the OWS message boards and other social media outlets. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #38
I've always thought that a lot of the conspiracy stuff is CIA dirty tricks Enrique Jan 2012 #11
I often wonder if government or corporate dirty-tricks groups send the conspiracy nuts. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #15
nice conflation of anyone who questions the official 9-11 tale with UFO wackos, sheesh stockholmer Jan 2012 #21
That's a brilliant video. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #36
"it is so sophisticated and so logically coherent and so carefully crafted and maintained" stockholmer Jan 2012 #22
"sham 2 party system" - spoken like a true ZeroHead enthusiast where Ron Paul is supreme banned from Kos Jan 2012 #33
welcome back old friend! haven't seen you since DU2 days, was concerned you got lost stockholmer Jan 2012 #37
So wait...you think the consiracy stuff is itself a conspiracy? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #35
I love the OWS forum moderator's comment: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #16
Oh, yeah, that's brilliant. randome Jan 2012 #20
Don't underestimate noise. joshcryer Jan 2012 #24
Or they tune out. randome Jan 2012 #29
As well they shouldn't. joshcryer Jan 2012 #25
What I've found fascinating, to be sure, is that while they try to pretend to align with OWS... joshcryer Jan 2012 #23
No, no, this week's meme is "gypsies" and "thieves" ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #32
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