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In reply to the discussion: Post removed [View all]Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)7. How to handle this? Don't let the FBI bait mentally ill people into attempting bombings?
Did you read your linked article and the other article it references you linked to?
The FBI had been working with him and provided him with a fake bomb. It is nothing like the scenario you speculate at in your opening.
"The undercover agent was able to establish a rapport and real trust so this individual was able to feel comfortable with trusting him with this bigger plan, and even involved him in it," Quy said. "If that bomb hadnt been assembled with the FBI's assistance, it would have gone off and it would have possibly killed someone.
However, the FBI documents also provide no evidence that Llaneza could have pulled off the operation without the undercover agents, had ties to other terrorists or had any bomb making materials in his possession. Separate court documents filed in Santa Clara County show Llaneza is mentally ill.
One civil rights expert, Zahra Billoo, executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations in Santa Clara, indicated that this smells of entrapment.
"Did the FBI take a [mentally ill] aspirational terrorist, make him an operational terrorist and then thwart their own plot?" Billoo asked. "CAIR has been saying this for years now: It's the FBI's job to stop operational terrorists. It's not the FBI's job to enable aspirational ones."
http://m.nbcbayarea.com/nbcbayarea/pm_108022/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=yQ2WP287
However, the FBI documents also provide no evidence that Llaneza could have pulled off the operation without the undercover agents, had ties to other terrorists or had any bomb making materials in his possession. Separate court documents filed in Santa Clara County show Llaneza is mentally ill.
One civil rights expert, Zahra Billoo, executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations in Santa Clara, indicated that this smells of entrapment.
"Did the FBI take a [mentally ill] aspirational terrorist, make him an operational terrorist and then thwart their own plot?" Billoo asked. "CAIR has been saying this for years now: It's the FBI's job to stop operational terrorists. It's not the FBI's job to enable aspirational ones."
http://m.nbcbayarea.com/nbcbayarea/pm_108022/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=yQ2WP287
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Yes that's what I said. I'm trying to point out that you can ban all the guns you want and the
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Feb 2013
#2
Only the propaganda wing of the NRA mantains there is any move to "ban all guns"
hlthe2b
Feb 2013
#3
This is MY talking point. If you wanted to you could take ALL the guns away and STILL until we get
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Feb 2013
#6
Exactly my reaction. Keep pushing the half-wits to react to the guvmint gittin' their guns, then
brewens
Feb 2013
#4
This could be likely, but it still takes a mentally ill person to jump on the bandwagon.
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Feb 2013
#8
How to handle this? Don't let the FBI bait mentally ill people into attempting bombings?
Lone_Star_Dem
Feb 2013
#7
Agree, mentally ill people are going to be the most vulnerable and the Feds are famous for
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Feb 2013
#9
My point is that we need to get to the root cause. We can ban guns, swords and forks for that matter
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Feb 2013
#15
No, I'm saying they'll be making bombs one way or the other, each trying to beat out the last for
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Feb 2013
#20
But what of those without mental health issues that see a gun as a means to an end?
libtodeath
Feb 2013
#28
I implied that no matter what we do, or what we ban these things will continue to happen until we
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
Feb 2013
#19
You see mental illness as the root of this is also an NRA talking point.
nadinbrzezinski
Feb 2013
#22
How you keep connecting an exploited mentally ill person in the article to being the problem...
Lone_Star_Dem
Feb 2013
#23