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TomClash

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10. Really?

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:49 PM

Feb 2013

Would Al Gore really have been any different on the NDAA? I would like to think so but I doubt it. Even if well intentioned he would remain at the mercy of the same forces constraining Obama.

The ultimate irony is that the Left is disarming itself both literally and figuratively and can no longer mount a serious opposition to the erosion of its own rights.

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Daniel Ellsberg: �They are reversing freedoms we�ve had since the Magna Carta.� [View all] kpete Feb 2013 OP

We are the land of the less free since George Bush II. Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #1

It's been longer than that, truebluegreen Feb 2013 #2

Why and how did it happen, why are we such sheep? 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #3

Well, I have some theories... truebluegreen Feb 2013 #4

You omit the major reason for "unrest" in the 60's: VietNam. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #6

"...students..." truebluegreen Feb 2013 #7

The protests against VietNam were NOT about WinkyDink Feb 2013 #29

Oh sorry... truebluegreen Feb 2013 #40

Heh---Yes, Peace, indeed, lest we (I) truly do forget. Plus, we had Bobby and Gene WITH us, FOR us. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #43

To me one of the greatest failings of the current Democratic Party truebluegreen Feb 2013 #44

Yes, but those kids were the offspring of the WWII Generation, Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #31

Yes!! And the last generation of boomers that were educated felix_numinous Feb 2013 #37

Somebody once asked me if I remembered the 60's. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #38

Yes the meme of forgetfulness felix_numinous Feb 2013 #41

And implemented via the Southern Strategy Wednesdays Feb 2013 #21

Thank you very much. I had never seen that document, its a very good read. 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #22

Yes. As tempting as it is to cast Powell as the Great Satan, truebluegreen Feb 2013 #27

When we did not take to the streets after the Coup D'Etat of 2000, we doomed ourselves. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #5

+1 n/t truebluegreen Feb 2013 #8

Really? TomClash Feb 2013 #10

Yes, REALLY. Indeed, I would assert that there would have been no "9/11" and its subsequent horrors. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #28

Fair enough TomClash Feb 2013 #35

I'd take it even further back than that Catherina Feb 2013 #11

Reagan, MCA, and the Mob Octafish Feb 2013 #14

My friend! I was just reading about Reagan and Lew Wasserman Catherina Feb 2013 #17

Thanks for info! 2naSalit Feb 2013 #18

We DID Take to the Streets AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #26

That's exactly right. And that widened the coup and left us in a position plethoro Feb 2013 #30

It does back to saint ronney who convinced people that greed was better then fairness and justice libtodeath Feb 2013 #9

Oh my, look what you posted as I was typing Catherina Feb 2013 #12

Great minds as it is said libtodeath Feb 2013 #13

Simply put MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #49

That was what 9-11 was all about. That was the motive for plethoro Feb 2013 #19

The election of Reagan meant their coup was completed TeamPooka Feb 2013 #15

Very important warning upi402 Feb 2013 #16

Your post just sent a shiver down my spine Catherina Feb 2013 #20

Turn about is fair play upi402 Feb 2013 #23

+1 woo me with science Feb 2013 #39

So where is John2 Feb 2013 #24

IMHO, you need to .. ReRe Feb 2013 #34

+100 arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #45

Thank you Dear Heart, ReRe Feb 2013 #47

Na, I just didn't want the descriptor pathitcR-US arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #48

If the US considers itself to = Capitalism,.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #25

Did you coin that phrase "Money and State" because arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #46

I guess I did.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #51

I won't hold my breath. You know what they say, arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #54

^ Wilms Feb 2013 #32

K&R woo me with science Feb 2013 #33

Thanks kpete for posting this link... ReRe Feb 2013 #36

kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #42

Many good people died fighting for the rights we used to hold dear. raouldukelives Feb 2013 #50

Very possibly true, though it could be vital to consider what one's definition(s) of "they" is/are. patrice Feb 2013 #52

Various outgroups -- racial, political, class, religious -- haven't enjoyed Magna Carta freedoms. leveymg Feb 2013 #53