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patrice

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50. Agreed but there is still the problem of what to do with him if they ever arrest him. he gets due

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:39 PM

Feb 2013

process & in the course of that, there is a significantly committed demographic (I'm not sure how big it is) who mistake this kind of thing for heroism in the service of principles. The point/value of that to them is exactly the degree to which it is a repudiation of how unbelievable it is to you and any others. It's reactionary contrarianism dressed up as "liberty". Have you ever dealt with anyone like that personally? The stronger your own convictions about what is right or wrong, the stronger their opposition, FOR OPPOSITION's SAKE ALONE and NONE other!

What to do? - especially when we're consider whether there is a possibility of this sort of thing becoming "writ large". I hope we are thinking about how to prevent that without armed confrontations.

I don't know specifically what to do, but I think it begins with understanding them and proceeding from there to the truth, by whatever means available and that doesn't mean that you have to agree with them, but to listen and also to be listened to.

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You are not required to support Dorner, [View all] libertypirate Feb 2013 OP

Well said; I agree. PDJane Feb 2013 #1

They want the public to help find him? theKed Feb 2013 #2

yes they are offering a million dollar reward now. robinlynne Feb 2013 #101

When he killed three people that is when he lost it. I wouldn't be surprised what he southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #3

I believe we have a legal system which states that a person is innocent until proven guilty in Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #112

I should have said "in the court of public opinion". Sounds better. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #120

It's a good thing Dorner isn't a math teacher Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #4

Funny. Not many here are interested in Lanza's motives. B2G Feb 2013 #5

I am very interested in Lanza's motives. Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #6

Have you seen the documentary, "Going Postal"? JDPriestly Feb 2013 #56

LAPD officers might not have to BE so afraid if they would learn to treat Angelenos like kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #84

Well said. beevul Feb 2013 #85

TYVM. But don't worry about the heart. This is the first kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #88

At least that was how it was when I lived in the LA area. unapatriciated Feb 2013 #135

It amazing that you seem to have a lack a sympathy for his victims. iandhr Feb 2013 #138

Me too. I am very interested. Catherina Feb 2013 #24

+1 nt laundry_queen Feb 2013 #64

There was a great deal of speculation here about Lanza's motives Fumesucker Feb 2013 #60

Thank You. This conspicuous dearth of curiosity has gotten my attention as well. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #96

"NOT REQUIRED"?! Well, TYVM for THAT. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #7

The guy is a murderer. I have never felt "required to support" murderers. MADem Feb 2013 #8

It appears dorner executed two young people..for no other reason then he was mad at.. Tikki Feb 2013 #11

I think that it was 2naSalit Feb 2013 #19

I think it was revenge, plain and simple. There's no pure motive afoot. MADem Feb 2013 #27

We each have our own perspective 2naSalit Feb 2013 #47

No flame, I just find the man's conduct indefensible. MADem Feb 2013 #104

And I wasn't defending him 2naSalit Feb 2013 #105

No one who thinks clearly believes that murdering innocents is going to work for them. MADem Feb 2013 #106

This leads me to inquire 2naSalit Feb 2013 #108

I know enough about the topic; I know a few people with serious mental illness who MADem Feb 2013 #109

+1000 SouthernDonkey Feb 2013 #114

You are no different than the anti-choices who embraced Scott Roeder. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #123

My goodness 2naSalit Feb 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Feb 2013 #131

MADem, Have you seen the documentary "Going Postal"? JDPriestly Feb 2013 #61

No. nt MADem Feb 2013 #103

We saw it on Netflix. It investigates a shooting in a post office by a disgruntled employee. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #161

If I come across it, I will watch it. MADem Feb 2013 #167

It boils down to a central problem with the abuse of authority and the inability to deal JDPriestly Feb 2013 #178

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #75

but it got him a platform for his grievances. so it has been effective in that way. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #115

I wouldn't encourage murder as a way to get a platform for grievances. MADem Feb 2013 #127

i wouldn't either, but the fact is, it did get him a platform. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #160

That's part of the conclusion I've come to 2naSalit Feb 2013 #164

I am watching the news coverage, and no one is talking about his grievances. MADem Feb 2013 #169

his grievances are easy to find, and talked about, on the internet. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #173

That's not the point. They just aren't the focus. MADem Feb 2013 #174

Let me infuriate many DUers Trajan Feb 2013 #9

You're not infuriating me in the slightest. I don't care for spree murderers, either. nt MADem Feb 2013 #13

I agree with you steve2470 Feb 2013 #14

I, for one, have HAD it with the "disgruntled male" motif. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #16

I think you're missing it completely. liberalmuse Feb 2013 #59

Silly useless response ... Trajan Feb 2013 #79

+ a lot!! OKNancy Feb 2013 #86

THANK YOU Skittles Feb 2013 #90

+ a bunch! one_voice Feb 2013 #92

does that apply to collateral damage from state drone murders? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #116

Fact-he killed multiple people. that supercedes any other consideration as of now. graham4anything Feb 2013 #10

The good cops in LA don't drive the bad ones SwankyXomb Feb 2013 #73

Unrec. Your hatred of the police is causing you to admire a murderer. FSogol Feb 2013 #12

So far two vehicles that DO NOT match the wanted vehicle nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #18

Even from the East Coast, I understand that the LAPD is little better than a crimminal gang. FSogol Feb 2013 #21

Look into slave revolts. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #23

How does Dorner have even the slightest paralell to a slave revolt? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #25

What? zappaman Feb 2013 #26

Ridiculous! FSogol Feb 2013 #28

Alas I am not talking of Doener, but the identification you are seeing nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #34

In the Slave riots? FSogol Feb 2013 #36

Here nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #40

None of your words form a coherent sentence. I'm finished, so FSogol Feb 2013 #46

I live in LA and am unaware of any slave riots recently or any time soon. zappaman Feb 2013 #49

Cthulu? No, Galactus is coming! FSogol Feb 2013 #54

Well... zappaman Feb 2013 #58

English is not coherent is a personal attack nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #89

Bullshit, civilians are under control and the police are one of the iron fists TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #38

This is the exact dynamic I am talking about. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #43

Did you think O.J. Simpson was persecuted in Vegas? I did. graham4anything Feb 2013 #29

Exactly. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #100

There is absolutely NOTHING in his manifesto that indicates that he believes what he is doing cali Feb 2013 #15

Screw Murderin' Christopher. Nothing he wrote was new news and he murdered innocent people. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #17

+1000! n/t zappaman Feb 2013 #20

+1 n/t FSogol Feb 2013 #22

Agreed but there is still the problem of what to do with him if they ever arrest him. he gets due patrice Feb 2013 #50

As I said before, his accusations are not news. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #66

How many people support his point of view? What do we do about the "rights" that they claim, patrice Feb 2013 #69

Proud to K & R 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #30

"I certainly can't condone Dorner's tactics...but neither can I condemn his motives" ProSense Feb 2013 #31

I refuse to go all one-dimensional on the Dorner situation 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #48

Wait ProSense Feb 2013 #53

Dorner was attempting to expose this corruption, but was punished for that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #57

That's justification for killing innocent people? n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #62

I never said that, you did. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #82

And the typical human response to disappointment and injustice Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #65

Thanks for putting words into my mouth, but no thanks 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #78

Does saying that entitle one to moral support from the indecent left geek tragedy Feb 2013 #122

You are over-reacting. Calm down for Christ sake. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #156

Well, curiousity as to what's going on at the LAPD is entirely geek tragedy Feb 2013 #157

So perhaps it was a poor choice of words 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #158

Well, yeah, it was a really poor choice of words. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #159

One Dimensional? iandhr Feb 2013 #143

You don't think society justifies the killing of innocent people everyday? /nt libertypirate Feb 2013 #98

Thank You! Understanding does not require assent; it validates DISSENT with Dorner or anyone else. patrice Feb 2013 #32

Indeed. 2naSalit Feb 2013 #52

An awful lot of reflex -ive responses going around right now. I fear being a reactionary is patrice Feb 2013 #76

I hear you there. 2naSalit Feb 2013 #81

"Dorner knows what he is doing is wrong, but he has lost the ability to care. " ProSense Feb 2013 #33

I think the point is, that the LAPD created this Frankenstein 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #55

Oh brother Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #67

How is attempting to expose corruption "getting his way"? nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #72

First of all, exposing corruption in the LAPD is exposing the wetness of water. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #74

Granted, it's a tawdry tale all around, the annals of LAPD 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #80

Not all of them. A lot of cops don't wait to become ex-cops to kill people when they don't get EOTE Feb 2013 #152

there is no way to justify either 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #176

The world is a scary place when the public loses faith in their police force. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #35

Understanding does not necessarily = agreement. Disagreement does not necessarily = misunderstanding patrice Feb 2013 #37

FOUR fingers!!! patrice Feb 2013 #39

Good thing I'm not required. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #41

Equivocation Underground Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #42

This should be an op. bravo. cali Feb 2013 #63

I was thinking the same thing... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #71

Dorner waited 2 weeks to make his accusations. randome Feb 2013 #44

I think the point is, that Dorner is NOT the ONLY villain 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #70

"For all we know, it's a staged event" Shivering Jemmy Feb 2013 #93

The whole world is a stage ~Shakespear n/t 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #94

You have convinced me, we should worship Riftaxe Feb 2013 #117

Ugh. What jury let this insane post stand? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #119

WTF?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #124

You need your sharp_stick Feb 2013 #132

Yeah, you're right... SidDithers Feb 2013 #133

So the 99thmonkey edit that part out of this post? Cha Feb 2013 #163

Thanks for that, Sid. I was wondering what the fuss was about because the poster edited Number23 Feb 2013 #171

Are you a Sandy Hook truther too? ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #125

Give me a frigging break obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #126

Classic example of Monkey logic. grantcart Feb 2013 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #149

Bingo. indie9197 Feb 2013 #110

Oh good. I thought I was failing my radical liberal litmus test. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #45

He murdered three people in cold blood. MadHound Feb 2013 #51

Americans generally don't make folk heroes sylvi Feb 2013 #68

He is the same as the Unabomber obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #77

i did try to understand him and came to the conclusion he cares nothing about exposing corruption JI7 Feb 2013 #83

Both Tampa and St Pete PDs had several cops shot recently. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #87

Dorner being a low-life murderer of innocent people and the LAPD being little better ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #91

Please. That manifesto is nothing more than a blank check EastTennesseeDem Feb 2013 #95

This is a really good post and would make an excellent op cali Feb 2013 #113

You and I appear to be on the same page. EastTennesseeDem Feb 2013 #177

We should try to understand people mn9driver Feb 2013 #97

Nope. Not even a little bit. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #99

Understand him? Terra Alta Feb 2013 #102

Then should we understand James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Jared Lee Loughner, or the many others Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #107

Jimmy Lee Dykes, Tim Mcveigh, the guy who killed Dr. Tiller, JI7 Feb 2013 #111

I have tried to understand him and I don't think he is normal. dkf Feb 2013 #118

Fuck Dorner and his supporters here. He is a murderous monster. Period. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #121

'The public seems to realize that the greatest danger isn't the suspect' spanone Feb 2013 #128

If Lanza would have just written a manifesto. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #129

The problem is that all of the people are victims of their society. 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #130

Good post. CanSocDem Feb 2013 #142

Spectacularly Unconvincing. (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #134

Psychobabble slackmaster Feb 2013 #136

nicely done in one word. cali Feb 2013 #141

The fact that there are people here is sympathize with him is mind boggling. iandhr Feb 2013 #137

I've been on DU long enough that it doesn't surprise me at all slackmaster Feb 2013 #140

To understand is not sympathizing with a murderer libertypirate Feb 2013 #146

Thats EXACTLY what it is. iandhr Feb 2013 #147

This is not a movie character. caseymoz Feb 2013 #139

No I think you are the one reading into his libertypirate Feb 2013 #148

Inevitable? caseymoz Feb 2013 #153

I don't condone what Dorner did... kjackson227 Feb 2013 #145

Tell us, Dr. Frist, why did he shoot a basketball coach? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #151

Whatever... kjackson227 Feb 2013 #154

Essentially, this is a disgruntled, mentally unstable employee living geek tragedy Feb 2013 #155

I don't understand him Marrah_G Feb 2013 #168

Dorner is a fucking sociopath. guardian Feb 2013 #150

I don't support him, if he did what was claimed he needs to be apprehended to face charges but... Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #165

This may be the most ill-titled post on DU ever. WTF. Avalux Feb 2013 #166

I don't give a shit about this murderous asshole. I wish it wasn't an all-consuming news story. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #170

I know very little about his backstory. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #172

What a total pile of hot steaming BS - lynne Feb 2013 #175