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farminator3000

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41. here's why the border patrol guy didn't want to 'elaborate'...
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:42 PM
Feb 2013
Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio who is quoted as saying the agency is on the "forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement," while declining to elaborate further.

Like the government's highly controversial foreign program of hunter-killer drones, it is becoming apparent that the DHS drone operations also deserve urgent public and congressional scrutiny. But not so much because national or international laws are being violated, US citizens targeted, or anyone is being hunted down and killed by these drones - at least thus far. Mostly the DHS drone program needs to be subjected to full transparency and accountability because it's been such a bust - an enormous waste of money.

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This report, while limited to the shocking management failures of CBP, hints at the more serious underlying problems, like the lack of strategic directions and the dubious achievements of the drone operations of agency's Office of Air and Marine (OAM).

Predators Quickly Adapted for Border Security

The homeland security drone program, directed by a retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Michael Kostelnik (who played a key role in developing the armed Predator drone used for so-called "hunter-killer" missions overseas, deploys a fleet of highly expensive Predators on the nation's borders. The unarmed Predators, produced for border duty by General Atomics, cost $18.5 million to $20.5 million apiece, not counting the hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts for General Atomics to operate and maintain the homeland drones.

Flush with billions of dollars in post-9/11 funding for "border security," DHS hurriedly launched the campaign to patrol the borders - north and south - with these Predators. In the rush to secure the homeland, DHS trampled over due-diligence standards to speed through orders for the drones, pilots and crews supplied by General Atomics.

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CBP boasted in December 20111 that drone operations contributed to 7,500 apprehensions of illegal border crossers and 46,600 pounds of marijuana.

The 7,500 "criminal aliens" that the Border Patrol detained are small potatoes when compared to CBP's overall number of detentions since 2005 - 5.7 million immigrants, including the 327,000 detained in 2011. Expressed as a percentage, this amounts to only .001 percent of those detained during that period.

While categorized by CBP as "dangerous people" because they have crossed the border illegally, mostly they are simply unauthorized immigrants, although a small number are marijuana backpackers.

To give some perspective to the drug haul attributed to UAV surveillance over six years - 46,600 pounds of marijuana - CBP on average seizes 3,500 pounds of marijuana every day in Arizona, making a seizure every 1.7 hours. Drones had a role in the seizure of less than one percent of the Border Patrol's total marijuana in the past six years - only .003 percent to be precise.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/14239-predator-drones-stalk-us-borders-without-budget-or-strategy

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Not surprising. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #1
Nope. Especially since Dorner claims to have anti-aircraft armaments. n/t Denzil_DC Feb 2013 #55
Wait until a drone attacks an innocent person. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #2
I'm going out on a limb and suggesting these would be strictly surveillance drones Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #21
If operated by the military, yes. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #27
I doubt that. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #34
No, they can't use assets owned or operated by the military. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #38
THESE ARE NOT ARMED. Sheesh. Get a grip, people. Do you not know the difference between kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #42
YET. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #53
In 2002 they were not armed ether nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #62
How does looking for him using drones differ from looking for him using helicopters? FSogol Feb 2013 #3
It doesn't alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #8
+ the biggest possible number onenote Feb 2013 #37
no pilots are put at risk arely staircase Feb 2013 #14
Actually, they are using helicopters... reACTIONary Feb 2013 #22
Helicopters make a lot of noise. Drones, not so much. randome Feb 2013 #23
True on the moral panic. Hope that the next time I get lost in the Cascades, they send FSogol Feb 2013 #24
Grovel-bot needs one to send out in cases of lost DUers. randome Feb 2013 #25
okay okay flamingdem Feb 2013 #29
Be sure to bring along a personal locator beacon... reACTIONary Feb 2013 #28
But it's only a matter of time before personal locator beacons are turned against us! randome Feb 2013 #30
how do you know they haven't already? arely staircase Feb 2013 #48
IT DOES NOT DIFFER IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #43
Glad some people get it at least. FSogol Feb 2013 #47
I wonder what they'll do if the drones find Dorner AndyA Feb 2013 #4
A person is only innocent if they are outside a blast radius The Straight Story Feb 2013 #5
or in their vicinity or choose the wrong parents etc... n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #16
Blast him to bits with a high tech camera? FSogol Feb 2013 #10
Heat-imaging not heat-seeking HubertHeaver Feb 2013 #13
you know we aren't talking about armed drones, right? arely staircase Feb 2013 #15
For now nt TomClash Feb 2013 #19
well I suppose "for now" can apply to everything arely staircase Feb 2013 #26
+1 Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #58
So, when do you expect LAPD to begin violating posse comitatus with armed drones? kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #49
Same way that Cheney, Rumsfeld, the chimp and a lot of others escaped facing war crimes. Webster Green Feb 2013 #56
And the rich and powerful are in the LAPD? randome Feb 2013 #59
First . . . TomClash Feb 2013 #57
As far as we know they aren't armed. AndyA Feb 2013 #39
I am sure of very few things arely staircase Feb 2013 #40
Recon drones are physically very different from armed drones. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #50
Police drones in the US are NOT ARMED. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #44
I have a feeling this will end badly formercia Feb 2013 #6
How will a drone carrying a thermal imaging camera kill tourists? FSogol Feb 2013 #12
It could take their picture, thus stealing their souls NoPasaran Feb 2013 #45
if it's a tall tourist the drone might hit him elehhhhna Feb 2013 #60
Ahhh, just like Aeschylus. FSogol Feb 2013 #61
Get a fucking grip. Police drones are NOT ARMED. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #46
If this continues LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #7
We are already surveillance targets. In public, no one has any expectation of privacy anymore. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #51
i don't think this guy is anywhere near the san bernardino mountains.. frylock Feb 2013 #9
I agree. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #11
I think so too n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #17
agreed nt steve2470 Feb 2013 #18
I predict a movie will be made out of this mess and... Amonester Feb 2013 #20
Script is already in the works, count on it. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #31
As long as they won't use their 'Empire Strikes Back' drones yet, I guess we'll be Amonester Feb 2013 #32
LL Cool J will play Dorner.They look alike. SummerSnow Feb 2013 #33
I was thinking The Rock... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #35
Nah. LL Cool J will be shot by LAPD next. Hope he is laying low. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #54
Yep. He left a gun and some survival gear in the truck just to play with the cops. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #52
OBL wasn't laughing anymore when they finally got him. Neither was Tim McVeigh. graham4anything Feb 2013 #36
here's why the border patrol guy didn't want to 'elaborate'... farminator3000 Feb 2013 #41
Not that I'm rooting for this maniac davidpdx Feb 2013 #63
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