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In reply to the discussion: 2nd Encounter of the Day.... Over guns this time [View all]geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)67. For dogs sake don't go out and play vigilante. And I have a grip, so to speak.
But take some personal responsibility. I'll let this speak for me since I am much less inarticulate and the author pretty much nails it for me. It's a good read if you pro or agin.
The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights
This position seeps down through the sub-political issues of self-defense and personal responsibility. Not-really-pacifist pacifist liberals, I find, often get wrapped up in a recurring ideological process of shedding and assigning guilt. I wouldnt touch a gun. Ill just call my paid servant the policeman to come and shoot my assailant for me. My hands stay clean of gunshot residue and other stains; he wields the horrid gun and the moral responsibility, and quandary, of using deadly force which Ill endlessly analyze with my colleagues over dinner. And if it really was my ass that was saved, well all congratulate ourselves for maintaining our pacifist guiltlessness, while romanticizing the guy who did the dirty work for us. Katherine Bigelow speaks for many, who actually think there is some kind of extra moral virtue in this way of living in the world. I find a more cogent description in the Sartrian term bad faith.
For myself, since I neither am nor pretend to be a pacifist, if I were in some mortal danger that called for the self-defensive use of deadly force, I would rather take on myself the responsibility for using that force moral quandary, dirty hands and all than shift it onto someone from a quasi-professional caste created to be my absolving wet workers.
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As one trenchant feminist promoter of gun rights summarized it: "Police forces were established to augment citizen self-protection, not to displace the citizens' right of self-protection" And, I would add, to share, not displace, citizens individual and collective responsibilities and quandaries in all of that.
The gun lobby seeks to protect criminals. That is the whole reason for resisting universal background checks.
Show me some proof that the gun lobby seeks to protect criminals. The gun lobby seeks to prosecute and disarm criminals so that they can go play with their guns in peace.
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Liability insurance doesn't cover inanimate objects. It covers the insured PERSON for screwups.
slackmaster
Feb 2013
#3
Ugh. Logic fail on a Sunday no less. The insurance isn't covering the CAR
galileoreloaded
Feb 2013
#26
Sigh. Tell you what. I'll give you a car, you insure either the car or you.
galileoreloaded
Feb 2013
#77
I oversimplified the concept of vicarious liability which I assume is what
galileoreloaded
Feb 2013
#81
All true. That's why I think it might be a successful move to build a fund to pay lawyers
BlueStreak
Feb 2013
#9
Leaving your gun on a table where your 3-year-old can blow his brains out is a CRIMINAL ACT
BlueStreak
Feb 2013
#86
Are you maintaining that you do not wish to be held responsible for any possible negligence?
Fumesucker
Feb 2013
#24
If your firearm is adequately secured you have no liability under my scenario
Fumesucker
Feb 2013
#49
I live in a very poor county in north Florida. Hunting deer and hog is very common here. ...
spin
Feb 2013
#83
He never brandished his gun. The OP says he was reaching for his wallet to pay.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2013
#68
For dogs sake don't go out and play vigilante. And I have a grip, so to speak.
geckosfeet
Feb 2013
#67
Your courage is commendable, but I'd be cautious: most "RKBA enthusiasts" I've run across have
apocalypsehow
Feb 2013
#51