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MADem

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109. I know enough about the topic; I know a few people with serious mental illness who

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:47 AM

Feb 2013

have been in and out of institutionalized settings for the better part of their lives; I'm not going to go so far as to "Frist" this guy, but I'm not blind, I am sentient, and it is readily apparent from the guy's behavior that he's not right.

I am also not comparing this guy "symptom for symptom" to Cunanan--what I am saying is that there's a similar pattern of inappropriate behavior, specifically, the spree killing of innocent people followed by "going on the lam" and triggering a national manhunt.

No one had the opportunity to break down Cunanan's issues with an examination of the patient, except in a "post mortem diagnosis" kind of way--he killed himself after he killed Versace. No matter what people claim to know about him, it's just a best guess. He's not around to provide confirmation, dead men tell no tales.

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You are not required to support Dorner, [View all] libertypirate Feb 2013 OP

Well said; I agree. PDJane Feb 2013 #1

They want the public to help find him? theKed Feb 2013 #2

yes they are offering a million dollar reward now. robinlynne Feb 2013 #101

When he killed three people that is when he lost it. I wouldn't be surprised what he southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #3

I believe we have a legal system which states that a person is innocent until proven guilty in Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #112

I should have said "in the court of public opinion". Sounds better. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #120

It's a good thing Dorner isn't a math teacher Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #4

Funny. Not many here are interested in Lanza's motives. B2G Feb 2013 #5

I am very interested in Lanza's motives. Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #6

Have you seen the documentary, "Going Postal"? JDPriestly Feb 2013 #56

LAPD officers might not have to BE so afraid if they would learn to treat Angelenos like kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #84

Well said. beevul Feb 2013 #85

TYVM. But don't worry about the heart. This is the first kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #88

At least that was how it was when I lived in the LA area. unapatriciated Feb 2013 #135

It amazing that you seem to have a lack a sympathy for his victims. iandhr Feb 2013 #138

Me too. I am very interested. Catherina Feb 2013 #24

+1 nt laundry_queen Feb 2013 #64

There was a great deal of speculation here about Lanza's motives Fumesucker Feb 2013 #60

Thank You. This conspicuous dearth of curiosity has gotten my attention as well. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #96

"NOT REQUIRED"?! Well, TYVM for THAT. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #7

The guy is a murderer. I have never felt "required to support" murderers. MADem Feb 2013 #8

It appears dorner executed two young people..for no other reason then he was mad at.. Tikki Feb 2013 #11

I think that it was 2naSalit Feb 2013 #19

I think it was revenge, plain and simple. There's no pure motive afoot. MADem Feb 2013 #27

We each have our own perspective 2naSalit Feb 2013 #47

No flame, I just find the man's conduct indefensible. MADem Feb 2013 #104

And I wasn't defending him 2naSalit Feb 2013 #105

No one who thinks clearly believes that murdering innocents is going to work for them. MADem Feb 2013 #106

This leads me to inquire 2naSalit Feb 2013 #108

I know enough about the topic; I know a few people with serious mental illness who MADem Feb 2013 #109

+1000 SouthernDonkey Feb 2013 #114

You are no different than the anti-choices who embraced Scott Roeder. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #123

My goodness 2naSalit Feb 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Feb 2013 #131

MADem, Have you seen the documentary "Going Postal"? JDPriestly Feb 2013 #61

No. nt MADem Feb 2013 #103

We saw it on Netflix. It investigates a shooting in a post office by a disgruntled employee. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #161

If I come across it, I will watch it. MADem Feb 2013 #167

It boils down to a central problem with the abuse of authority and the inability to deal JDPriestly Feb 2013 #178

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #75

but it got him a platform for his grievances. so it has been effective in that way. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #115

I wouldn't encourage murder as a way to get a platform for grievances. MADem Feb 2013 #127

i wouldn't either, but the fact is, it did get him a platform. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #160

That's part of the conclusion I've come to 2naSalit Feb 2013 #164

I am watching the news coverage, and no one is talking about his grievances. MADem Feb 2013 #169

his grievances are easy to find, and talked about, on the internet. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #173

That's not the point. They just aren't the focus. MADem Feb 2013 #174

Let me infuriate many DUers Trajan Feb 2013 #9

You're not infuriating me in the slightest. I don't care for spree murderers, either. nt MADem Feb 2013 #13

I agree with you steve2470 Feb 2013 #14

I, for one, have HAD it with the "disgruntled male" motif. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #16

I think you're missing it completely. liberalmuse Feb 2013 #59

Silly useless response ... Trajan Feb 2013 #79

+ a lot!! OKNancy Feb 2013 #86

THANK YOU Skittles Feb 2013 #90

+ a bunch! one_voice Feb 2013 #92

does that apply to collateral damage from state drone murders? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #116

Fact-he killed multiple people. that supercedes any other consideration as of now. graham4anything Feb 2013 #10

The good cops in LA don't drive the bad ones SwankyXomb Feb 2013 #73

Unrec. Your hatred of the police is causing you to admire a murderer. FSogol Feb 2013 #12

So far two vehicles that DO NOT match the wanted vehicle nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #18

Even from the East Coast, I understand that the LAPD is little better than a crimminal gang. FSogol Feb 2013 #21

Look into slave revolts. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #23

How does Dorner have even the slightest paralell to a slave revolt? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #25

What? zappaman Feb 2013 #26

Ridiculous! FSogol Feb 2013 #28

Alas I am not talking of Doener, but the identification you are seeing nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #34

In the Slave riots? FSogol Feb 2013 #36

Here nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #40

None of your words form a coherent sentence. I'm finished, so FSogol Feb 2013 #46

I live in LA and am unaware of any slave riots recently or any time soon. zappaman Feb 2013 #49

Cthulu? No, Galactus is coming! FSogol Feb 2013 #54

Well... zappaman Feb 2013 #58

English is not coherent is a personal attack nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #89

Bullshit, civilians are under control and the police are one of the iron fists TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #38

This is the exact dynamic I am talking about. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #43

Did you think O.J. Simpson was persecuted in Vegas? I did. graham4anything Feb 2013 #29

Exactly. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #100

There is absolutely NOTHING in his manifesto that indicates that he believes what he is doing cali Feb 2013 #15

Screw Murderin' Christopher. Nothing he wrote was new news and he murdered innocent people. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #17

+1000! n/t zappaman Feb 2013 #20

+1 n/t FSogol Feb 2013 #22

Agreed but there is still the problem of what to do with him if they ever arrest him. he gets due patrice Feb 2013 #50

As I said before, his accusations are not news. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #66

How many people support his point of view? What do we do about the "rights" that they claim, patrice Feb 2013 #69

Proud to K & R 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #30

"I certainly can't condone Dorner's tactics...but neither can I condemn his motives" ProSense Feb 2013 #31

I refuse to go all one-dimensional on the Dorner situation 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #48

Wait ProSense Feb 2013 #53

Dorner was attempting to expose this corruption, but was punished for that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #57

That's justification for killing innocent people? n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #62

I never said that, you did. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #82

And the typical human response to disappointment and injustice Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #65

Thanks for putting words into my mouth, but no thanks 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #78

Does saying that entitle one to moral support from the indecent left geek tragedy Feb 2013 #122

You are over-reacting. Calm down for Christ sake. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #156

Well, curiousity as to what's going on at the LAPD is entirely geek tragedy Feb 2013 #157

So perhaps it was a poor choice of words 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #158

Well, yeah, it was a really poor choice of words. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #159

One Dimensional? iandhr Feb 2013 #143

You don't think society justifies the killing of innocent people everyday? /nt libertypirate Feb 2013 #98

Thank You! Understanding does not require assent; it validates DISSENT with Dorner or anyone else. patrice Feb 2013 #32

Indeed. 2naSalit Feb 2013 #52

An awful lot of reflex -ive responses going around right now. I fear being a reactionary is patrice Feb 2013 #76

I hear you there. 2naSalit Feb 2013 #81

"Dorner knows what he is doing is wrong, but he has lost the ability to care. " ProSense Feb 2013 #33

I think the point is, that the LAPD created this Frankenstein 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #55

Oh brother Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #67

How is attempting to expose corruption "getting his way"? nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #72

First of all, exposing corruption in the LAPD is exposing the wetness of water. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #74

Granted, it's a tawdry tale all around, the annals of LAPD 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #80

Not all of them. A lot of cops don't wait to become ex-cops to kill people when they don't get EOTE Feb 2013 #152

there is no way to justify either 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #176

The world is a scary place when the public loses faith in their police force. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #35

Understanding does not necessarily = agreement. Disagreement does not necessarily = misunderstanding patrice Feb 2013 #37

FOUR fingers!!! patrice Feb 2013 #39

Good thing I'm not required. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #41

Equivocation Underground Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #42

This should be an op. bravo. cali Feb 2013 #63

I was thinking the same thing... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #71

Dorner waited 2 weeks to make his accusations. randome Feb 2013 #44

I think the point is, that Dorner is NOT the ONLY villain 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #70

"For all we know, it's a staged event" Shivering Jemmy Feb 2013 #93

The whole world is a stage ~Shakespear n/t 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #94

You have convinced me, we should worship Riftaxe Feb 2013 #117

Ugh. What jury let this insane post stand? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #119

WTF?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #124

You need your sharp_stick Feb 2013 #132

Yeah, you're right... SidDithers Feb 2013 #133

So the 99thmonkey edit that part out of this post? Cha Feb 2013 #163

Thanks for that, Sid. I was wondering what the fuss was about because the poster edited Number23 Feb 2013 #171

Are you a Sandy Hook truther too? ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #125

Give me a frigging break obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #126

Classic example of Monkey logic. grantcart Feb 2013 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #149

Bingo. indie9197 Feb 2013 #110

Oh good. I thought I was failing my radical liberal litmus test. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #45

He murdered three people in cold blood. MadHound Feb 2013 #51

Americans generally don't make folk heroes sylvi Feb 2013 #68

He is the same as the Unabomber obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #77

i did try to understand him and came to the conclusion he cares nothing about exposing corruption JI7 Feb 2013 #83

Both Tampa and St Pete PDs had several cops shot recently. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #87

Dorner being a low-life murderer of innocent people and the LAPD being little better ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #91

Please. That manifesto is nothing more than a blank check EastTennesseeDem Feb 2013 #95

This is a really good post and would make an excellent op cali Feb 2013 #113

You and I appear to be on the same page. EastTennesseeDem Feb 2013 #177

We should try to understand people mn9driver Feb 2013 #97

Nope. Not even a little bit. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #99

Understand him? Terra Alta Feb 2013 #102

Then should we understand James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Jared Lee Loughner, or the many others Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #107

Jimmy Lee Dykes, Tim Mcveigh, the guy who killed Dr. Tiller, JI7 Feb 2013 #111

I have tried to understand him and I don't think he is normal. dkf Feb 2013 #118

Fuck Dorner and his supporters here. He is a murderous monster. Period. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #121

'The public seems to realize that the greatest danger isn't the suspect' spanone Feb 2013 #128

If Lanza would have just written a manifesto. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #129

The problem is that all of the people are victims of their society. 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #130

Good post. CanSocDem Feb 2013 #142

Spectacularly Unconvincing. (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #134

Psychobabble slackmaster Feb 2013 #136

nicely done in one word. cali Feb 2013 #141

The fact that there are people here is sympathize with him is mind boggling. iandhr Feb 2013 #137

I've been on DU long enough that it doesn't surprise me at all slackmaster Feb 2013 #140

To understand is not sympathizing with a murderer libertypirate Feb 2013 #146

Thats EXACTLY what it is. iandhr Feb 2013 #147

This is not a movie character. caseymoz Feb 2013 #139

No I think you are the one reading into his libertypirate Feb 2013 #148

Inevitable? caseymoz Feb 2013 #153

I don't condone what Dorner did... kjackson227 Feb 2013 #145

Tell us, Dr. Frist, why did he shoot a basketball coach? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #151

Whatever... kjackson227 Feb 2013 #154

Essentially, this is a disgruntled, mentally unstable employee living geek tragedy Feb 2013 #155

I don't understand him Marrah_G Feb 2013 #168

Dorner is a fucking sociopath. guardian Feb 2013 #150

I don't support him, if he did what was claimed he needs to be apprehended to face charges but... Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #165

This may be the most ill-titled post on DU ever. WTF. Avalux Feb 2013 #166

I don't give a shit about this murderous asshole. I wish it wasn't an all-consuming news story. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #170

I know very little about his backstory. BlueCheese Feb 2013 #172

What a total pile of hot steaming BS - lynne Feb 2013 #175