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stevenleser

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92. If you reread your OP and some of the responses, you will see why your position gains no traction

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:13 PM

Feb 2013

Virtually every OP that takes your position involves insulting those who disagree. Those of us who disagree, of course, respond in kind. But we don't have the burden of having to change a massive percentage of the minds of people in this country. 83% agree with the use of drones including 77% of self described liberals.

This all is part of the reason I asked Medea Benjamin if she would discuss the issue with me for my radio show. We had a really good discussion and I think I outlined at the end some ways that both liberal camps could move forward together on the issue. One thing we did not do was insult each other or impute bad motives to each other. It's unfortunate that discussions from the anti-drone side started the discussion on DU doing those exact things.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lesersense/2013/02/11/making-sense-with-steve-leser--drones-the-week-in-review

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Drones: Do I have a line in the sand? [View all] Demo_Chris Feb 2013 OP

your kids murdered = bad, their kids murdered = acceptable collateral damage nt msongs Feb 2013 #1

ACK! You're making Obama sound not-dreamy leftstreet Feb 2013 #2

Uh oh. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #22

Over 60% of people who were eligible claim to have voted for JFK. malthaussen Feb 2013 #3

It's a different situation when a citizen goes overseas michigandem58 Feb 2013 #4

I agree. They totally lose their Constitutional rights. Remember that if you travel abroad. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #7

I'll raise you a "face palm" on that... truth2power Feb 2013 #45

Life is so much easier once you learn that we are the good and we can kill the bad. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #46

No extradition? JDPriestly Feb 2013 #64

LOL, extradition. Who needs messy extradition will killer drones. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #71

It is true technically speaking you are under the jurisdiction of the laws of the country you are in davidpdx Feb 2013 #82

I understand what you are saying. But I dont believe US citizens lose their Constitutional rhett o rick Feb 2013 #84

Arguably true, and totally irrelevant Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #10

+1. This will end with enemies of a President being rounded up and summarily executed. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #14

Outstanding response!! Thanks. n/t truth2power Feb 2013 #47

I think there are many here who feel as you do Marrah_G Feb 2013 #5

Yes. The rationalizations of the neo-hawks because it's "our guy" are overflowing. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #6

I liked your OP right down to the end. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #8

Fair enough. Not sure I liked the ending myself. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #11

We must keep struggling against the encroaching tyranny. But how far we are willing to go rhett o rick Feb 2013 #31

That's the question. These forums tell me all I need know Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #32

Two comments. I agree that things will have to get a lot worse before people start to rhett o rick Feb 2013 #35

Excellent post! -nt- Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #38

Excellent statement, rhett o rick. Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #65

Very well stated. 99Forever Feb 2013 #9

??? BigD_95 Feb 2013 #69

I went door to door for Bobby Kennedy, friend. 99Forever Feb 2013 #70

+1 kudzu22 Feb 2013 #12

Succintly and very accurately put lark Feb 2013 #57

YAY! Welcome to the side of goodness and light. Let others dwell on the dark side. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #13

Not to defend this policy, but the police kill people every day w/o charges or judicial review. Flatulo Feb 2013 #15

Respectfully, your statement fails at the title. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #24

I agree wholeheartedly and can see this getting worse and escalating out of control! DearHeart Feb 2013 #27

I hear you. Flatulo Feb 2013 #28

I hate war... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #16

with you. . .n/t annabanana Feb 2013 #17

It's correct to separate the argument dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #34

Nice post. The do love their subjective phrases don't they Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #39

Before 1965, U.S. government officials routinely referred to members of the coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #43

In my opinion, the definition of a terrorist in The Patriot Act is vague and overly broad. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #66

The word 'terrorist' has become so debased through over use and abuse that it is coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #73

Exactly JuniperLea Feb 2013 #76

Murder is murder JuniperLea Feb 2013 #75

Well put! Rider3 Feb 2013 #48

Thanks. I am on your side. Aldo Leopold Feb 2013 #18

fwip, fwip, fwip blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #19

Thank you . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #20

K&R woo me with science Feb 2013 #21

K&R. We are just a herd who does what our shepherds tell us. LittleBlue Feb 2013 #23

Thank you. intheflow Feb 2013 #25

I am tired of being right Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #26

I'm with you ..... oldhippie Feb 2013 #29

K&R well said... SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #30

"it is easier to abandon your principles than your TV show" Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #33

K & R! lonestarnot Feb 2013 #36

Yep.........n/t KoKo Feb 2013 #37

The problem is that people make their lines in sand. Bonobo Feb 2013 #40

Beautiful post. Well said. k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2013 #41

Thank you. At this point, the Establishment Democrats have lost their moral compass Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #42

Vanity post Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #44

What's your point? pecwae Feb 2013 #68

Thanks. I appreciated that he gave me a free "kick" Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #77

Absolutely agree n2doc Feb 2013 #49

I may be off base on this. timdog44 Feb 2013 #50

Thank you for your post. NorthCarolina Feb 2013 #51

Heart felt and well thought out. timdog44 Feb 2013 #52

This is exactly how I feel. Jeevus Feb 2013 #53

You speak my mind well. Thank for a great OP. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #54

Thank YOU for reading and responding! Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #55

Why do you think we speak of SAND, when referencing... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #56

I'd like to know how the people who have condemned drone attacks with such black and white politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2013 #58

Thanks for your response Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #59

Thanks for responding to my ranting in such a rational manner. I applaud you for that. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2013 #60

Nice post. (cont.) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #63

The good news is that more people on here seem to agree with you than not. Efilroft Sul Feb 2013 #61

well said. blackspade Feb 2013 #62

k and R DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #67

:-) MuseRider Feb 2013 #72

Wow! Thank you very much! That was very nice of you to say -nt :) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #78

Us liberals ... Raggaemon Feb 2013 #74

Thanks for responding (more below) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #79

I have always been totally against war rhiannon55 Feb 2013 #80

It is different in this way... Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #81

I think what you stated was well thought out and had very good points davidpdx Feb 2013 #83

Military/NSA/CIA Drone Charts & Graphs triplepoint Feb 2013 #85

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #86

I wonder if it matters? davidthegnome Feb 2013 #87

Nice post, quite a lot to think about there! :) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #89

It's disturbing seeing how many PNACkers we have at this progressive website. nt Zorra Feb 2013 #88

Great summary of the problem, now, what are you and I going to do about it? sinkingfeeling Feb 2013 #90

Remember and VOTE! That's the only power we have ever had Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #96

People go along with slavery right now. raouldukelives Feb 2013 #91

If you reread your OP and some of the responses, you will see why your position gains no traction stevenleser Feb 2013 #92

really good discussion with Media Benjamin loveandlight Feb 2013 #93

Thank you for your kind and amazing feedback! stevenleser Feb 2013 #94

Thanks for the nice response (cont) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #95

You clearly do not understand the points of those who disagree. More than that... stevenleser Feb 2013 #97

Thanks! I believe you are missing my point actually Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #98

You are missing MY point. I already understand your position. You are not listening to mine stevenleser Feb 2013 #99

Thanks! I am gonna let you have the final word. Just letting you know I read it. n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #100

Interesting points davidthegnome Feb 2013 #101

I think you and I have very little disagreement. stevenleser Feb 2013 #102

Your three main points were good ones. davidthegnome Feb 2013 #103