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Motown_Johnny

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63. The problem I have with all the plans like this that I see

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:03 PM

Feb 2013

is the dependence on the Chicago Hub.

What happens in a blizzard? Or a power outage, or some other problem that effects that hub?

I would like to see more secondary hubs so that Chicago could be bypassed if needed.

I would not run all the way across Michigan and instead connect Detroit to Toledo. I would also eliminate the line from Chicago to Quincy and instead connect Louisville to St. Louis to Quincy to Des Moines. I would also like to see a line from Minneapolis St. Paul running east into Michigan's Upper Peninsula and then south through Michigan to Detroit and another from Minneapolis St. Paul running south to Des Moines (or though Sioux Falls to Omaha).

These changes would create a loop around Chicago so that the hub could be bypassed if needed. They could also be used to reduce congestion at the hub if this system ever gets so much usage that congestion is a problem (which I hope it would).

OK, that's my 2 cents.

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Probably not jeff47 Feb 2013 #36

Check the EIA. Coal is still King. n/t amandabeech Feb 2013 #169

Only because it was king before jeff47 Feb 2013 #183

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I was thinking the overhead line sort, not gas turbine- or diesel-electric. hunter Feb 2013 #98

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I hate to be a spoilsport, but this is a silly idea on its face. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #15

Thank goodness President Eisenhower didn't feel this way. Just sayin'..... snappyturtle Feb 2013 #31

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Not this canard again... ArtiChoke Feb 2013 #47

The point has eluded you. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #49

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They run deficits OnlinePoker Feb 2013 #147

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Texas is still not 1400 miles across... ArtiChoke Feb 2013 #78

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Nobody would go from NYC to LA. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #65

I would! RudynJack Feb 2013 #107

ever spent a couple of days on a train? Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #108

It wouldn't be straight through. RudynJack Feb 2013 #109

at 220 mph, la-nyc = 13 hours. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #111

No stops? None? Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #126

You can go from Tokyo to Fukuoka (680 miles) in 5 hours, including stops. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #142

Reasonable, but you need to add in time for going over the Rockies. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #156

Travel with a rail pass gives ya time you need..... kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #189

But NYC to Cleveland? Cleveland to Chicago? Chicago to St. Louis? Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #113

My point exactly. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #127

Better service between Detroit and Chicago would be nice. amandabeech Feb 2013 #170

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Perhaps that light rail could connect with another route going NW. amandabeech Feb 2013 #179

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K&R midnight Feb 2013 #20

It needs the Empire Builder leg from Seattle to Minneapolis and Morning Dew Feb 2013 #23

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If I read the map right... Johnny Noshoes Feb 2013 #54

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That would be so cool tavalon Feb 2013 #62

The problem I have with all the plans like this that I see Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #63

That loop through the UP of Michigan and down through northern lower Michigan amandabeech Feb 2013 #171

a rail bridge wouldn't be that big a deal, and it would be a boom for tourism Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #172

It would be great for UP tourism, although it is so beautiful in northern lower Michigan amandabeech Feb 2013 #178

one or two rail lines would not really impact that expanse of wilderness Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #180

What I wanted to say was that the area is so beautiful that passengers might want the amandabeech Feb 2013 #182

There have been 3000 signatures since midnight tavalon Feb 2013 #66

Okay - as a professional transportation planner, let me say this map is misleading. brooklynite Feb 2013 #67

This is a great idea... 1620rock Feb 2013 #69

Intercity Bus and Rail Ridership Up as Car and Air Travel Remains Flat FarCenter Feb 2013 #76

You should put a link to the White House petition in the OP. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #72

Regional high speed rail MIGHT be possible but it'll never replace cross country transportation... cbdo2007 Feb 2013 #73

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me, family lives there nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #91

This is all cool in theory, but SmittynMo Feb 2013 #79

How much would it cost? A LOT less than the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, and Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #112

Wow, I was just showing that map to a professor friend, and here it is on DU! NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #80

Looks like they ran a line through Louisville! Bake Feb 2013 #81

Wonderful idea. oldandhappy Feb 2013 #101

I would so much rather take the train than fly Hamlette Feb 2013 #104

See that lonely line from El Paso to southern Wyoming? Warpy Feb 2013 #106

Would Love this! But, I would also love to have BUSES running in my area! DearHeart Feb 2013 #110

Ah. Rail travel. Excellent. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #114

The rail link east of Pittsburgh is about to be shut down JPZenger Feb 2013 #115

Philadelphia to Washington DC, then to Chicago via Pittsburgh JVS Feb 2013 #136

The trip Philly to Chicago is not changed much.... kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #151

That would be so awesome Marrah_G Feb 2013 #119

Gotta also have a direct zentrum Feb 2013 #120

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"It can become a reality though, if you sign the official White House petition." NoPasaran Feb 2013 #123

Is Scott Walker's dead body under the part that goes through Wisconsin? undeterred Feb 2013 #125

A girl can dream.... PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #146

KICK patrice Feb 2013 #129

There is a HUGE GAP in this!!!!! citizen blues Feb 2013 #130

Nothing through my part of Virginia south, either. phylny Feb 2013 #143

I see pale gray lines on the map going through VA. beac Feb 2013 #152

Well, you are right! phylny Feb 2013 #181

It would. beac Feb 2013 #187

I would travel all over the damn place. Sigh. nt RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #131

This will never happen because there isnt enough easy money in it rhett o rick Feb 2013 #132

That *would be* cool. Like the map, too. Kick, Rec. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #133

Connect Kansas City to Denver and you got a deal. tridim Feb 2013 #135

done alfredo Feb 2013 #139

With the House still in a Republican majority, forget about it. We'd better get that .. YOHABLO Feb 2013 #141

Scott Walker killed the line from MKE to MSP...nt Evasporque Feb 2013 #145

K&R and signed the whitehouse.gov petition! beac Feb 2013 #149

Signed, that's an excellent idea life long demo Feb 2013 #153

I agree that the idea is both wonderful and essential, but I dislike the routing 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #155

North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho and Montana left out....again. WeRQ4U Feb 2013 #157

Aren't those areas already heavily serviced by freight lines? 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #162

That we don't already have this, speaks volumes to the power of the oil & auto industries. CrispyQ Feb 2013 #159

Kick! CrispyQ Feb 2013 #161

Anyone who complains that this is not possible or impractical, forfeits the right to ever complain.. Yavin4 Feb 2013 #168

I would be a regular on the Blue Line liberal N proud Feb 2013 #176

There will never be rail fast enough for most of those routes to make sense. Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2013 #184

Chicago could make a ton of money in this Hayabusa Feb 2013 #186

Petition still needs 63K+ signatures by March 7th! beac Feb 2013 #188

Petition still needs help! n/t beac Feb 2013 #190