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Catherina

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:52 PM Feb 2013

"DOJ kill list memo forces many Dems out of the closet as overtly unprincipled hacks" [View all]

DOJ kill list memo forces many Dems out of the closet as overtly unprincipled hacks
Last week's controversy over Obama's assassination program forced into light many ignored truths that were long obvious

Glenn Greenwald
guardian.co.uk, Monday 11 February 2013 15.05 GMT

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Baker also noticed this: "Some liberals acknowledged in recent days that they were willing to accept policies they once would have deplored as long as they were in Mr. Obama's hands, not Mr. Bush's." As but one example, the article quoted Jennifer Granholm, the former Michigan governor and fervent Obama supporter, as admitting without any apparent shame that "if this was Bush, I think that we would all be more up in arms" because, she said "we trust the president". Thus did we have - while some media liberals objected - scores of progressives and conservatives uniting to overtly embrace the once-controversial Bush/Cheney premises of the War on Terror (it's a global war! the whole world is a battlefield! the president has authority to do whatever he wants to The Terrorists without interference from courts!) in order to defend the war's most radical power yet (the president's power to assassinate even his own citizens in secret, without charges, and without checks).

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That Obama is systematically embracing the same premises that shaped the once-controversial Bush/Cheney terrorism approach has been known for even longer. All the way back in February, 2009 - one month after Obama's inauguration - the New York Times' Charlie Savage reported that "the Obama administration is quietly signaling continued support for other major elements of its predecessor's approach to fighting Al Qaeda" and that this continuity is "prompting growing worry among civil liberties groups and a sense of vindication among supporters of Bush-era policies" (I actually wrote at the time that Savage's alarmist conclusions were premature and overly pessimistic, but subsequently told him how right, even prescient, he turned out to be). In April, 2009, the Obama-friendly TPM site announced that "Obama mimics Bush" when it comes to assertions of extremist secrecy powers. In June, 2010, Obama's embrace - and expansion - of many of Bush's most radical policies had become so glaring that ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero gave a speech to a progressive conference and began by proclaiming himself to be "disgusted with this president", while Bush's most hawkish officials began praising Obama for his "continuity" with Bush/Cheney policy.

That many Democratic partisans and fervent Obama admirers are vapid, unprincipled hacks willing to justify anything and everything when embraced by Obama - including exactly that which they pretended to oppose under George W Bush - has also been clear for many years. Back in February, 2008, Paul Krugman warned that Obama supporters are "dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality." In May, 2009, a once-fervent Obama supporter, New York Times columnist Bob Herbert, wrote a column warning that Obama was embracing many of the worst Bush/Cheney abuses and felt compelled - in the very first sentence - to explain what should be self-evident: "Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House." The same month, former Bush DOJ official Jack Goldsmith - who provided the legal authorization for the illegal Bush NSA warrantless eavesdropping program - went to the New Republic to celebrate that Obama was not only continuing the core Bush/Cheney approach to terrorism, but even better (from his perspective), was strengthening those policies far beyond what Bush could achieve by transforming Democrats from opponents of those policies into supporters.

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Supreme GOP warmonger Lindsey Graham announced his intention to introduce a Senate resolution praising Obama for his assassination program. RedState's Erick Erickson wrote a Fox News column denouncing civil libertarians and defending Obama: "we must trust that the president and his advisers, when they see a gathering of al-Qaida from the watchful eye of a drone, are going to make the right call and use appropriate restraint and appropriate force to keep us safe." Michelle Malkin criticized her own staff for attacking Obama and wrote: "On this, I will come to Obama's defense." Others vocally defending Obama included John Bolton, Peter King, Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/11/progressives-defend-obama-kill-list

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Hogwash JuniperLea Feb 2013 #1
What does Romney have to do with Democrats who don't have principles? Catherina Feb 2013 #13
You're right Romney has nothing to do with it. ProSense Feb 2013 #17
So you would support this policy if McCain were president? Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #54
Someone needs to go back to school... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #71
get some new material.. frylock Feb 2013 #14
Here's what one supporter wrote Catherina Feb 2013 #19
a lot of folks trusted bush's judgement as well.. frylock Feb 2013 #22
Now there's an intellectual role model Catherina Feb 2013 #25
How about Al Franken? Mnpaul Feb 2013 #46
I'm the wrong person to ask because I can't stand Al Franken Catherina Feb 2013 #66
cowardice and political expediency frylock Feb 2013 #72
Same as it is here and now... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #70
I wish you apologists would quit with the straw men arguments. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #65
I stand with Obama, and John Bolton and Michelle Malkin and Peter King--oh, wait a minute. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #2
If people could hurry up and get to the "oh, wait a minute" part Catherina Feb 2013 #39
That's ProSense Feb 2013 #3
Ooh, he must really get under your skin. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #5
Feingold agrees with "John Bolton and Michelle Malkin and Peter King" ProSense Feb 2013 #8
So silly whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #11
"Yes democrats are never wrong and never change their minds..." ProSense Feb 2013 #12
I missed the debate part whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #15
What ProSense Feb 2013 #20
He's focused on the similarities between whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #27
Here: ProSense Feb 2013 #29
People like this John2 Feb 2013 #33
+1 jazzimov Feb 2013 #45
But you support Hagel for Defense, and HE supported the illegal Iraq war. Hypocritical? Yes. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #48
Bam! whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #49
LOL! ProSense Feb 2013 #56
I do? ProSense Feb 2013 #55
I can not stand those who voted for that war. You get bent about one but the other, the actual Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #59
I should add that ProSense Feb 2013 #10
Yep. "Smoke 'em out", "Bring it on" redux. But, of course, "Not as bad". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #4
Unprincipled hackery in 3...2...1... whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #6
I'm can see that several people on my ignore list have already made an appearance Catherina Feb 2013 #21
Bingo! whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #28
No new material? It gets so old Catherina Feb 2013 #34
Wow... whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #42
If I'd supported the Iraq war, no one on the left would ever listen to me again. Robb Feb 2013 #7
Polls in the weeks leading up to the war showed that 50% of Democrats supported the war. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #44
Or, if you'd supported the Iraq war, you could be about to become Sec of Defense. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #50
Hagel's got *serious* game. Robb Feb 2013 #68
Yep. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #9
Greenwald looks nothing like Bush, although they were on the same page on Iraq. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #16
And Obama is on the same page as bush and the PNAC. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #18
you still buying Obama's bullshit about not voting for IWR.. frylock Feb 2013 #24
Well, ProSense Feb 2013 #26
Which Chuck Hagel supported and is about to be rewarded for that action by Obama. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #57
Maybe you should stop assuming. n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #58
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #23
He gets to talk to the world about you whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #31
"Authentic frontier gibberish!"... SidDithers Feb 2013 #32
Beat me to it. union_maid Feb 2013 #36
George Washington warned us about this kind of bullshit davidn3600 Feb 2013 #30
Great post! whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #37
Washington was right, Jefferson too Catherina Feb 2013 #38
Yours is the most important post on DU right now, IMO. woo me with science Feb 2013 #51
+100000000 woo me with science Feb 2013 #52
It's not just ProSense Feb 2013 #61
That post definitely deserved the heart I just gave you and hearty applause! tpsbmam Feb 2013 #73
Greenfield, yawn. He makes money for his alt-media-anti-views. Good money graham4anything Feb 2013 #35
Let's not talk about principles until Greenwald et al pony up HOW MANY DEAD PEOPLE are too many patrice Feb 2013 #40
FOUR fingers are FOUR fingers just as much in Rio de Janeiro as they are in Kansas, Glen. nt patrice Feb 2013 #41
Glen Greenwald is a "citizen of the archipelagos" who makes a living out of propaganda. nt patrice Feb 2013 #43
Not all dems are really dems, I'm talking about picking anyone out on the street Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #47
That mentality is stoked by the corporate media. woo me with science Feb 2013 #62
Once everything including people is reduced nineteen50 Feb 2013 #53
he's right stupidicus Feb 2013 #60
That's part of what's prompting the frantic defense. ACLU on Obama's 1st U.N. treaty body review Catherina Feb 2013 #67
Just as many "progressives" will "trust the president" (but never Bush) to destroy Social Security Faryn Balyncd Feb 2013 #63
Faith-based politics? Catherina Feb 2013 #69
K&R woo me with science Feb 2013 #64
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