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theKed

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:56 PM

Feb 2013

Several of Pol Pot's underlings have been and are currently facing trials for crimes against humanity. While not war crimes, per se, it is, I think, what you were getting it. Pol Pot died in 1979, as I'm sure you're aware. Since he is already dead, I'm sure the priority is to prosecute those involved that are still alive, rather than a largely-symbolic posthumous conviction of Pol Pot himself. However, some have already been convicted, it is not hard to see that he would, in fact, be found guilty were such a show trial to be held.

I am afraid I'm not familiar enough with Henry Kissinger to pass judgement on him, but unless he has been tried in a court for such things than no, he is not a war criminal.

However, neither of those things changes the fact the this is a document written by a man with the intent for it to be publicly seen and have a degree of shock value. I don't consider it "evidence" yet.

Are you saying it's perfectly okay to discard due process, to toss aside the notion that everyone is innocent until proven to be guilty?

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Dorner admitted to killings, targeting lesbians for being 'misandrist' and defended Chick Fil-A [View all] geek tragedy Feb 2013 OP

The CTers have that covered already... zappaman Feb 2013 #1

Wow. I knew he was a loon but I didn't know HOW looney. randome Feb 2013 #2

If you wade through the babbling, you get gems like geek tragedy Feb 2013 #3

"Yeah, just be an asshole like Cha Feb 2013 #12

From the manifesto geek tragedy Feb 2013 #14

Oh no.. Cha Feb 2013 #17

makes it easy to gun him down and carry on tiny elvis Feb 2013 #129

He is a sick man. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #4

I don't think anyone is arguing he is a good guy or saint quinnox Feb 2013 #5

Plenty of people raising doubt as to whether he's actually killed anyone. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #6

That reminds me of the fox routine of "some people." nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #20

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal concept, not one that applies geek tragedy Feb 2013 #23

I prefer a country where this is understood. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #29

I do not defend the indefensible re: LAPD or Torrance. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #32

Lots of people claiming it's not his fault, that he was pushed into cali Feb 2013 #7

The same people who will claim to know WHY he killed will then turn around geek tragedy Feb 2013 #9

That's a common one RZM Feb 2013 #27

Typical conversation: geek tragedy Feb 2013 #30

It's called moral hedging. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #151

A Chick Fil A defender, wha wha wha? Send in the Hellfire Drones NightWatcher Feb 2013 #8

He says he's wants to "reclaim my name"..?! LeftinOH Feb 2013 #10

"I'm a murderer, not a filer of false reports!" nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #11

Written confessions don't really prove anything RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #13

Did you read what you wrote? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #16

We will never know anything for certain RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #48

The part where it said "I'm not sure, but I'm sure." nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #49

Can't prove evolution with 100% certainty. RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #51

Comparing a known fact to a theory. Good one, Dr. Logic. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #103

Yes, thank you. RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #127

Facebook posts are not admissible as criminal evidence. morningfog Feb 2013 #91

Not if the author admits to his authorship. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #104

Sure, under oath. If they have a defense lawyer worth a damn, they won't. morningfog Feb 2013 #106

He'd best not at any time, under oath or not, if he wants the prosecutor not to bring it up. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #110

They get used against people routinely. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #148

Will you next argue that we are all in a cave and "know" only shadows? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #112

I was wavering on Dorner until you mentioned Chick-Fil-A. That's a game changer. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #15

Well, there is the part where he talks about his plan to kill children geek tragedy Feb 2013 #18

LOL. Nicely done RZM Feb 2013 #31

If what the presumed guilty writes abolishes their legal presumption of innocence prior to trial, Occulus Feb 2013 #19

The presumption of innocence means that the state can't punish you geek tragedy Feb 2013 #24

On the contrary; to prospective jurors, that's exactly what it *must* mean Occulus Feb 2013 #57

I am not a potential juror. Could you serve on Dick Cheney's jury geek tragedy Feb 2013 #62

Niiiiice. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #95

Irony is this entire vendetta is because he refutes being found guilty of being a liar dkf Feb 2013 #137

presumption of innocence is a legal concept. No one is saying that Dorner shouldn't have cali Feb 2013 #25

Holy crap. This guy makes the Unabomber look sane by comparison. Initech Feb 2013 #21

Yeah, well. sibelian Feb 2013 #22

i can't believe people think this guy has any credibility JI7 Feb 2013 #26

Well, they simultaneously argue: geek tragedy Feb 2013 #28

He admitted to murder so it's the LAPD's job to abelenkpe Feb 2013 #33

The LAPD doing its job on a number of fronts would be a welcome geek tragedy Feb 2013 #34

So true! nt abelenkpe Feb 2013 #35

NONE of which justifies his extrajudicial killing by any LEO. ALL accused in the US are kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #36

There's a world of difference between "due process must be followed" geek tragedy Feb 2013 #38

Well, let me tell you that the law does not allow for fugitives to claim due process rights msanthrope Feb 2013 #55

Who precisely is stating he should be denied due process by the courts? LanternWaste Feb 2013 #132

One does not have to be sane, nor a saint to be a whistleblower jeff47 Feb 2013 #37

If he'll let himself be captured. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #39

At this point, he seems to mostly be running jeff47 Feb 2013 #41

If you read his manifesto, he repeatedly says he's not afraid to die, geek tragedy Feb 2013 #42

Sure, he wrote that. But he's not charging towards the cops guns blazing (nt) jeff47 Feb 2013 #45

He is already accused of killing a cop. LisaL Feb 2013 #46

Yes, which isn't a "blaze of glory" like the other poster was talking about. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2013 #47

He wants to take as many with him as possible. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #50

Severely libodem Feb 2013 #40

Yes. I agree. He's severely disturbed and he's gone over the edge. yardwork Feb 2013 #52

What a mess libodem Feb 2013 #53

I am sure that some of his relatives noticed this gathering. yardwork Feb 2013 #54

Yes libodem Feb 2013 #56

It's very sad. All these people dead and he will die. yardwork Feb 2013 #58

Yes libodem Feb 2013 #63

It almost seems like he was picking up bits and pieces of popular culture. yardwork Feb 2013 #70

His ex-girlfriend did....years ago. dkf Feb 2013 #84

That about says it all libodem Feb 2013 #88

With all his hate; greiner3 Feb 2013 #43

Assholitarian. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #44

This revelation only makes me hate the guy even more robertkdem1965_h89 Feb 2013 #59

Was this said in a court of law? Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #60

+++1,000,000,000 shcrane71 Feb 2013 #61

So, you also doubt that he was wrongly fired and was motivated by LAPD geek tragedy Feb 2013 #67

Please use linear arguments. Now just what are you (anonymous person I've never shcrane71 Feb 2013 #71

Point being, if you don't have any opinion as to whether he killed anyone, logically geek tragedy Feb 2013 #75

So, you don't examine facts using your own mind, but rather geek tragedy Feb 2013 #65

I believe in the 6th. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #68

So, you don't believe Cheney and Kissinger are war criminals then. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #69

What I believe is that there needs to be a trial in a court of law. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #76

Do you know who shot the children of Sandy Hook or have an opinion geek tragedy Feb 2013 #79

You are asking a different question than who is "guilty." morningfog Feb 2013 #94

If there's ever a trial, then the legalities will matter more. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #100

Even if you don't have a belief FrodosPet Feb 2013 #139

To much iffy, hear say to say anything. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #146

This is getting more telling. Fuck juries! LOL! morningfog Feb 2013 #93

Juries don't create facts, they only look at them. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #101

Ken Lay was innocent! Innocent, I tell you!! Pure as the driven snow! MADem Feb 2013 #113

OJ Simpson caused Nicole Brown's death by slashing her throat, but he committed geek tragedy Feb 2013 #117

Facebook posts are not admissible or reliable. morningfog Feb 2013 #92

Under what rule of evidence? Nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #102

They can't be verified as authentic. morningfog Feb 2013 #105

That's just factually incorrect. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #111

Incorrect -- admissible in both civil and criminal cases obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #169

They most definitely are obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #168

Sorry, I turned off theKed Feb 2013 #64

Oh, so you don't pay attention to facts unless they've been adjudicated in a court of law? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #66

Nice. theKed Feb 2013 #72

I'm saying that we as private citizens are not bound by the rules surrounding geek tragedy Feb 2013 #74

No, we cannot theKed Feb 2013 #77

Legally and factually are different concepts. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #78

There is no criminal conviction theKed Feb 2013 #82

I'm not convicting him. I am looking at the facts. The presumption of innocence applies geek tragedy Feb 2013 #85

How do you feel about theKed Feb 2013 #97

What about it? First Amendment. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #98

Hey, I'm calling sunrise tomorrow! Your point? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #116

Legally. But only lobotomies can prevent people from thinking otherwise. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #115

That is where you a wrong. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #83

The law does not require private citizens to abstain from forming a factual belief geek tragedy Feb 2013 #86

We, so that the system can truly work ,must not rush to judgment. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #121

Yes, people who think for themselves are destroying democracy. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #122

People who don't know all the facts, and we will not know all till a trial, are. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #124

The world is full of people who know their way of thinking is right. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #125

And I am glad to know my way is seen as right due to 2 great documents.n/t Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #147

You are completely, 100% incorrect re: trials, jurors, and the general public. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #114

It goes,"Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law." Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #123

Wow. He is sicko. He thinks that murdering will vindicate him. Makes no sense. Filled with hate... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #73

He is the "alleged murderer" because he is innocent until found guilty by a court Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #80

Legally, sure, but the legal world is a distortion of the real world. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #81

Trials are every bit as perfect as the people involved in them. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #87

That's fair. Also fair would be for someone like me to be excluded from geek tragedy Feb 2013 #89

That is a respectable admission on your part. morningfog Feb 2013 #96

People not on the jury can call him guilty as hell if we want. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #107

LOL at your "innocent before proven guilty crowd." morningfog Feb 2013 #90

Legally, I agree. But there are people accusing those who state that he did kill those geek tragedy Feb 2013 #99

Dorner is one of the bad guys in this story. A stone cold killer who needs to got to trial. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #130

I see where you're coming from, but if I in any way seemed to geek tragedy Feb 2013 #133

But you sure seem to be defending LAPD. Not a critical word toward the cop in my story, not a Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #140

It's definitive only if you're determined to put words in people's mouths. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #145

I put no words in your mouth, nor did you. It was your lack of words, your silence that I find Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #157

I do agree strongly, It just seems so obvious that it goes without saying. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #158

This is a discussion board and not a trial, in case you missed that salient tidbit. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #109

Oh, I didn't miss it. But, when someone rails against those morningfog Feb 2013 #120

And the state has declared he is guilty of being a liar. dkf Feb 2013 #138

What? Your post makes no sense. morningfog Feb 2013 #142

Dorner is mad because he is was found guilty by a court of lying about Evans kicking Gettler. dkf Feb 2013 #144

What court found him guilty of lying? morningfog Feb 2013 #149

Here dkf Feb 2013 #150

Did you read that? Do you understand civil suits? morningfog Feb 2013 #152

He was charged with making false accusations. dkf Feb 2013 #153

He was not found guilty of lying in a court. morningfog Feb 2013 #154

So why did he need to clear his name? dkf Feb 2013 #159

You are changing the question. morningfog Feb 2013 #160

You say I can't say he was found guilty of lying by a court. dkf Feb 2013 #163

The court found there was not sufficient evidence to overturn the administrative decision. morningfog Feb 2013 #164

Vandalizing (graffiti) their locations does not help any cause. Fla_Democrat Feb 2013 #108

I hope they apprehend him and stop him from hurting anyone else. darkangel218 Feb 2013 #118

Agree 100%. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #119

He thinks that killing people will help him restore his "good name." tblue37 Feb 2013 #126

in the America I grew up in... dtom67 Feb 2013 #128

Yes, yes you're right, the real victim here isn't Monica Quan, it's Chris Dorner. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #134

How you took that from what the other poster said is incomprehensible. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #141

The person said that we don't know that he's guilty, and won't know geek tragedy Feb 2013 #143

Characterization. We can read what others write. Upthread you accuse me of putting words in Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #155

Honestly, your story was so disturbing I didn't know how to react. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #156

And it was that passivity and silence that I found objectionable. Yet you claimed I put words Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #165

I am not your monkey. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #166

Talk about putting words into the mouth of another. When response fails you, you accuse others. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #170

Yes, you say something and then try to grade the responses because they did not geek tragedy Feb 2013 #171

His victims had no chance of surrender, either. randome Feb 2013 #135

We have To Find Reasons To Hate This Clown DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2013 #131

If you hate this guy and assume he killed them (because of his own admission) geek tragedy Feb 2013 #136

The line in the OP reminded me of this: ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #161

Well, Chik Fil-A has fewer supporters here than Dorner does. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #162

K&ring this obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #167