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66. Outstanding Post!
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 10:07 PM
Jan 2012

Remember this.

The south for most of its political history was a democratic stronghold. This was because Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and he helped end slavery and save the country. Lincoln and the Republicans were so hated, that during the 1860 Presidential election, Lincoln's name wasn't even placed on the ballot in Alabama. For most of our history, there is nothing on earth meaner or or more blood-thristy than an old traditional southern Democrat. Because of the Lincoln, from 1860 on, the Democrats controlled the south. In history, the south is even referred to as the "solid block" because it was so incredibly Democratic.

Then during the 1950s and 60s, a new breed of Democrats emerged. And YES THEY WERE PRIMARILY FROM THE NORTH. They supported civil rights, women's rights, the rights of workers etc. etc. etc.

And what happened?

From the 1960s to the 1980s the South went from a solid Democratic voting block to a southern Republican block! Old time dangerous southern Democrats like Strom Thurmond even changed parties in protest of equality for all! Today the south is solidly Republican. (What a coincidence!) Amazingly when I lived in South Carolina there were some very young people there who didn't even know that Thurmond spent the majority of his life as a Democrat. I had to explant to them that he only changed parties at the very end of his political career to try and stop people like his biracial daughter from having the opportunity for equal rights under the constitution. It is really amazing!

What ever side is in favor of education, science, equal rights, equality and social justice.... the south is on the other side.


Try this. Google a map of the 1860 Presidential election. And then google a map of the 2008 election. Look at the areas of the country where Lincoln and Obama did well (The North). Look where they did poorly (The South). It's almost scary how identical the two maps are for elections held 148 years apart.


Presidential Election 1860 (Lincoln in blue)



Presidential Election 2008 (Obama in red)


I often think I could get into a time machine and go off 500 years into the future. I would then look at a presidential political map of the last election. And with one look at the south, I would know which side is in the best interest of the country and all people. And which side is ignorant, racist, sexist, mean, etc. etc. etc.

Yes.. it is that simple. And for some reason, we are all suppose to dance around the giant pink elephant in the room and ignore how incredibly bad the south, its history, its culture and the political viewpoints of its people have been for America.


By definition, the confederate flag is the most anti-American symbol in the history of this country. To any historically accurate and objective American, (regardless of race) it should be far more offensive than even a Nazi war flag. But of course we can't correctly say that... because we have to protect THE HISTORIC TRUTH ABOUT THE SOUTH.


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Well, the North is pretty romanticized, too. TygrBright Jan 2012 #1
A lot of that is simply forgotten history by everyone BrentWil Jan 2012 #4
I think the genocide of first Americans is right up there with slavery. Lots of that up north. n/t TygrBright Jan 2012 #10
I agree with that NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #11
After the North defeated the South, the Union Army focused on subduing Native Americans Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #23
Military force both Southern and Northern was used against Native Americans before the war BrentWil Jan 2012 #24
Before the war, the Southern military force was under Federal command Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #26
Native Americans had a long history of thinking Europeans would keep their words.. BrentWil Jan 2012 #27
Admittedly, John Ross was hesitant to side with the Confederacy Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #29
Do you have a theory? grasswire Jan 2012 #2
Yes... BrentWil Jan 2012 #3
I think you're on to something. hifiguy Jan 2012 #38
Now hold on a second... antigone382 Jan 2012 #53
The Radical Republicans in the Senate wanted policies that President Johnson did not enforce... BrentWil Jan 2012 #56
Interesting that desertion was such a huge problem for the south. brewens Jan 2012 #5
One of the most forgotten things is US Soldiers that were from the South.. BrentWil Jan 2012 #7
Why is America so romanticized? The Straight Story Jan 2012 #6
I think you have to see things in relation to the past BrentWil Jan 2012 #9
I'm pretty confident at least as much brutality goes into our goods today as in the past. antigone382 Jan 2012 #54
partly because the South lost, part of it is cultural, you might get the same romantiicism JI7 Jan 2012 #8
A couple books you might want to check out, if you have coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #12
THanks... BrentWil Jan 2012 #22
Having lived in Savannah for twenty-five years, I can tell you ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #13
"radical republicans stood for freedom and equality" Zorra Jan 2012 #14
black Southerners don't romanticize its history; only white Southerners do. provis99 Jan 2012 #15
Black southerners might not venerate the racist past of the south RZM Jan 2012 #17
I know.. I just didn't think putting White in the title would be smart BrentWil Jan 2012 #20
Considering the frequency that many non-southerners attempt to rub our noses in "our" history... piedmont Jan 2012 #16
Well, I am southern... BrentWil Jan 2012 #19
For some reason there's always going to be a yearning for the "good old days" in any population... piedmont Jan 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #64
Gone With The Wind dogknob Jan 2012 #18
Considering They Got Their Asses Kicked... I Don't Know... WillyT Jan 2012 #21
Here's a great article on the topic just1voice Jan 2012 #28
I can't figure out if this thread is really about storytelling or about idealization. EFerrari Jan 2012 #30
Attention all Southerners reading this thread: Aristus Jan 2012 #31
We have a number of stories we tell about different parts of the country. EFerrari Jan 2012 #32
Have I told you lately how wonderful you are? Ishoutandscream2 Jan 2012 #37
I agree with you that every distinct region in the country Aristus Jan 2012 #46
You are right about that to a degree. I don't want to minimize EFerrari Jan 2012 #47
I was going to chime in at your first post to say that California history was DEFINITELY whitewashed XemaSab Jan 2012 #49
I believe the unit now does discuss the enslavement of the native people REP Jan 2012 #58
Given that I utilize the fact I'm a "Southern belle" for work quite often.... moriah Jan 2012 #33
I did a lot of sales in the South... Taverner Jan 2012 #45
Those are the kind of manners I was brought up with in the North REP Jan 2012 #59
Americans tend to romanticize a lot of history The Genealogist Jan 2012 #34
It's not hard to find those who have romanticized the 60's either. n/t hughee99 Jan 2012 #43
4 words ... GONE WITH THE WIND Raine Jan 2012 #35
Outhouses? HopeHoops Jan 2012 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #39
Because they lost. GoCubsGo Jan 2012 #40
On a related topic about history in general BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #41
Very interesting.... BrentWil Jan 2012 #48
yep. bottom line n/t BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #57
American history is romanticized in general. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #42
To such an extent XemaSab Jan 2012 #50
History should never be "taught" BrentWil Jan 2012 #55
All history is, to a certain degree BrentWil Jan 2012 #61
I was thinking about this earlier XemaSab Jan 2012 #62
Often people reinvent things they should be ashamed of... Taverner Jan 2012 #44
Read Tony Horowitz' Confederates in the Attic 1gobluedem Jan 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #52
aren't you really asking why do so many southerners romanticize the civil war? arely staircase Jan 2012 #60
A lot of Southern culture comes from the slave populations and subsequent freed slaves Major Nikon Jan 2012 #63
It's all those Walter Scott wannabes Tom Ripley Jan 2012 #65
Outstanding Post! aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #66
. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #67
In honor of a very good move.. bump. NT BrentWil Nov 2012 #68
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