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GaYellowDawg

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22. In all fairness

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:43 PM

Feb 2013

I got involved in another thread and scolded redqueen and seabeyond for something like this, and I was wrong about it. I reread the thread and saw that I wasn't reading carefully enough. I don't think there are very many people at all on DU who say "men don't get it." It's usually qualified very specifically as "men who have X attitude don't get it." There are probably more people who read the former into what others are saying than there are those who say it.

Something else just hit me. One of the things that I teach is evolution. I try to be very patient as a teacher, but there are days when I want to scream to the world, "This is REALITY!! EVOLUTION IS OBVIOUS AND APPARENT!! HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS?!?" Given that, it becomes a lot more easy to understand how someone could get really impatient with refusal to acknowledge or listen to women's viewpoints without throwing their own assumptions at the issue.

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You can say that "some men don't get it". You can even say that "many men don't get it". [View all] Nye Bevan Feb 2013 OP

And their efforts, among other things, have paid dividends. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #1

I hate the idea ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #7

People who hold that view think *very* little of men. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #9

That's always been my impression ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #11

Society is doing something right. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #10

Yes ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #12

That's just a correlation knightmaar Feb 2013 #13

Rape is not about consensual sex lunatica Feb 2013 #24

This. GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #27

exactly SemperEadem Feb 2013 #59

What does it matter why the incidence of rape is dropping? EOTE Feb 2013 #17

Because they should be two different topics ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #18

The OP links to no article. EOTE Feb 2013 #21

There are more factors than pornography in those countries ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #23

Sorry, I believe words mean things. EOTE Feb 2013 #25

Damn I hope it's not an anti-porn thread...! Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #57

It's not porn they'll have to pry out of your fingers.... Raster Feb 2013 #63

hahah! :) Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #65

85%? now a days it is 1 in 4-6 women raped, depending. so it is 1 in 2? 3? women raped seabeyond Feb 2013 #32

The DOJ polls 40,000 households each year. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #38

SSRN papers have NOT been peer-reviewed. spooky3 Feb 2013 #36

His conclusions about causality aren't really the point. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #37

I said nothing about causality. spooky3 Feb 2013 #41

Then what's the problem? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #45

Probably going too far here, but... Bigmack Feb 2013 #2

I would have to agree with you there. smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #53

k&r MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #3

I have always said that rapists should be castrated with dull, rusty butter knives... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #4

That just seems cruel el_bryanto Feb 2013 #5

Would dull, rusty hedge clippers be better?? Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #14

Why? It's assault, not sex. There are better ways to just hurt someone if that's jtuck004 Feb 2013 #16

Assault??? It's SEXUAL ASSAULT.... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #40

Has nothing to do with sex. It's about power. No more than a police officer jtuck004 Feb 2013 #46

Well I guess we will have to politely agree to disagree then, ok? Or at least see both sides Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #48

Ok. And yes, of course. I just don't create the distinction - I think it's about power. jtuck004 Feb 2013 #50

if it was only about sex, all men would assault passed out women Skittles Feb 2013 #56

your first example is rape SemperEadem Feb 2013 #60

I can't even think of a punishment for rape. GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #26

I agree 1000% with your second paragraph... N/T Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #42

Problem would be what it does . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #51

And thank God for that ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #6

K&R for our wonderful allies. myrna minx Feb 2013 #8

+1 nt Zorra Feb 2013 #15

k&r Little Star Feb 2013 #19

Real change comes when we honor felix_numinous Feb 2013 #20

In all fairness GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #22

Exactly... If you reread the thread it's condemning the passivity quite clearly... bettyellen Feb 2013 #30

But there is one thing to remember GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #34

True Ga, will try to remember that! But..... bettyellen Feb 2013 #35

It comes down to a similar problem as with racism GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #55

That's a really good assessment! It's kind of blown bettyellen Feb 2013 #62

Sure. I'll grant you that. burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #66

Excellent!! Sissyk Feb 2013 #28

This is very, very heartening to see. whathehell Feb 2013 #29

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #54

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #31

yes. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #33

Great OP and thread salin Feb 2013 #39

Win. WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #43

Thank you, Nye n/t Cha Feb 2013 #44

OK...the shoe pics got me. Those men really DO care, if they're willing to do that! nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #47

Yeah, that one got to me, too Warpy Feb 2013 #52

+1.nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #67

I get what you are saying, however... demmiblue Feb 2013 #49

I agree with the sentiments here, but I will not march in high heels. tclambert Feb 2013 #58

I LOVE these pictures duhneece Feb 2013 #61

You can even say that some women don't get it. Orsino Feb 2013 #64