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liberalmuse

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39. Please re-read my post, because you read it wrong.

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:35 PM

Feb 2013

I know I'm a crappy writer, but did not say he wasn't a cold-blooded killer. That fact is pretty much undisputed. When I first saw his picture under the headline "cop killer", the smiling guy did not look like a your average killer, that's all.

The fact that he murdered innocents has pretty much destroyed any credibility he may have had as a spokesperson against police corruption.

I'll go so far as to agree that the LAPD is a corrupt organization, but he's taken himself out of that discussion by becoming the very thing he despises.

It is really difficult to post anything other than "Dorner is a cop killer". If you dare post anything other than that - like maybe he made sense in his manifesto on a couple points, people jump your shit. And THAT is exactly what I was trying to say in the post you responded to.

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WTF is so "special" about Dorner & the LAPD, that unleashes Attack-Trolls on DU? [View all] 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 OP

Yeah...Dorner's in a firefight right now with Fish&Game & deputies after a home invasion. Maybe msanthrope Feb 2013 #1

Or now is good too. EOTE Feb 2013 #6

Well, I'm waiting for the part of the Manifesto that justifies a home invasion and shooting at Fish& msanthrope Feb 2013 #7

How dare you! Wait Wut Feb 2013 #22

Well, the leading authority on F&G shennanigans is Dorner! Which is why he shot at them! So let's msanthrope Feb 2013 #35

Oh, I'm sorry, you must be incredibly confused. EOTE Feb 2013 #25

No--I'm suggesting something quite different. I'm suggesting that using Mr. Dorner's complaints msanthrope Feb 2013 #46

The OP is asking why people are so intent on shutting down discussion of Dorner's motivations. EOTE Feb 2013 #49

Yeah....I'm really tired of trying to figure out the motivations of murderers. Adam Lanza had msanthrope Feb 2013 #68

Have fun with your anti-intellectualism. EOTE Feb 2013 #70

Educating yourself??? Off a Facebook page? Let me not stand in the way of your intellectual msanthrope Feb 2013 #90

You're the one talking about Facebook, not us. EOTE Feb 2013 #93

Um theKed Feb 2013 #88

WOW iandhr Feb 2013 #109

Wow, you just showed no sympathy for his victims too! EOTE Feb 2013 #154

Maybe because he murdered innocent civilians? iandhr Feb 2013 #111

What on earth are you blabbering about? EOTE Feb 2013 #153

Good Grief. Your Posts Make the Point of the OP Rather Nicely dballance Feb 2013 #194

It isn't like that at all. Here's the difference. Threedifferentones Feb 2013 #196

Well I always wonder what makes a person go off like this. I always thought knowning southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #26

There's very little to be learned to 'help the next person' right now. He's engaged in shooting msanthrope Feb 2013 #54

I still would love to know why he snapped that he would go down to murder like that. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #97

And how many times did we read that he'd NEVER harm anyone he didn't have involvement with? n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #60

Why do want to shut down a perfectly reasonable discussion about the injustices suffered by a spree msanthrope Feb 2013 #71

I hadn't thought about that. Here in Big Bear they can be real assholes too. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #73

We're being anti-intellectual, apparently. We're impeding the great understanding msanthrope Feb 2013 #95

And I have this burning yearning to understand his motivations... n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #98

Of course. Because his motivations will prove what a tortured soul he is....nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #100

Where did you read that? EOTE Feb 2013 #74

Here's the FIRST time I read something like that... there have been many other instances. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #79

That was 5 days AFTER he had already killed two innocents. EOTE Feb 2013 #89

And one just died obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #156

I'm sure someone will tell me how fucking important it is we discuss Dorner's msanthrope Feb 2013 #162

I know -- the guy is the Unabomber obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #165

Oh, double-standards abound on this website! villager Feb 2013 #2

I can't explain the double standard, but I do feel for you. EOTE Feb 2013 #3

As the Republican Party dies more and more conservatives creep under our tent. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #56

Nailed it! AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #113

Ah well this guy posted on the internet that he is responsible. iandhr Feb 2013 #131

Yes you are right. And the Conservatives among us would say that means he rhett o rick Feb 2013 #137

I would disagree with those people. iandhr Feb 2013 #174

He will probably himself give up his right to a trial by pleading guilty. iandhr Feb 2013 #175

It's a conservative trait to instinctually side with authority and power. Marr Feb 2013 #168

Some times I think one person has several personas. zeemike Feb 2013 #133

I'm pretty much certain of it. EOTE Feb 2013 #157

Someone else here said that they are slipping in under the tent zeemike Feb 2013 #171

In my opinion, some posters have latched onto the fact that people are interested in the story DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #4

It does appear to be the case, at least re: Dorner. Thanks for noticing. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #125

because it has reached the conspiracy theory stage JI7 Feb 2013 #5

I saw but didn't read an article in a Twitter post that a friend of Dorners says he is Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #11

and romney paid for college for some guy he met JI7 Feb 2013 #14

Excuse me? Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #21

I didn't say that it did, sheesh. It does go against any meme that he's only just a thug. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #24

Right...it just helps you with your "LAPD are domestic terrorists" meme... zappaman Feb 2013 #29

The LAPD tortures, kills and imprisons innocent people. EOTE Feb 2013 #64

When OUR gov't does it, it's not torture, murder 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #155

zappaman works for LAPD's social media department. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #179

Nah, Zappaman just lives and works in LA zappaman Feb 2013 #180

He can be a thug. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #30

Nice to see that people are willing to entertain at least a 2-dimensional character study of a man Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #45

"There is a $1,000,000 bounty out for him. What does he know that they don't want him to tell?" zappaman Feb 2013 #48

Oh, so Dorner had his trial already & been adjudicated, found guilty? I wasn't aware of this. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #13

the manifesto , the ex girlfriend's words , the shooting of the couple JI7 Feb 2013 #15

Why are you insisting that I am somehow trying to "excuse" or "justify" Dorner 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #27

Are you back to suggesting that Obama staged this? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #80

His fourth victim died while you were posting this apologia for him and starting geek tragedy Feb 2013 #163

I give up 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #172

He's dead now, so I guess you can go on pretending that there's some great mystery as geek tragedy Feb 2013 #173

NPR reported today that everyone who knew him, save an ex-girlfriend are completely shocked shcrane71 Feb 2013 #177

Holding two or more thoughts... liberalmuse Feb 2013 #8

I don't find it scary at all cali Feb 2013 #16

Wait! Wut? Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #19

Chief Beck isn't going to re-open the case. That's bullshit. LAPD LIE. Mayor Villaraigosa calls this Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #28

"Chief Beck isn't going to re-open the case. That's bullshit. LAPD LIE." zappaman Feb 2013 #33

Please re-read my post, because you read it wrong. liberalmuse Feb 2013 #39

nothing like making broad claims. cali Feb 2013 #9

Is this the post where you "respond" to the "double-standard" question? 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #52

From where I stand, Salem, MA had nothing Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #10

I notice that NO ONE's willing to even touch my "what's up w/ the double-standard?" issue. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #38

because there is no double standard- cali Feb 2013 #43

I would take a break from DU for awhile.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #86

I see you didn't repeat the claim that Dorner's killing spree might be a "staged event"... Skinner Feb 2013 #12

Thanks. I find that- and this op- disturbing cali Feb 2013 #17

Yes. HappyMe Feb 2013 #20

I really hear what those people have to say IF he's taken alive... n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #69

I'm quickly losing my interest in continuing to participate in DU 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #23

No one ProSense Feb 2013 #31

Your truth? JuniperLea Feb 2013 #37

Everyone has their own truth. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #42

LOL "Everyone has their own truth." Que the X-Files theme... FSogol Feb 2013 #53

Ahh so you smelled the blood and came running. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #58

No, I read your post and laughed. When the episode ended yesterday, I thought everything FSogol Feb 2013 #63

Doubling down on what exactly? 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #72

I think post #94 sums it up pretty well. FSogol Feb 2013 #99

Seems like somone rang the dinner bell... RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #87

Right... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #65

That must be very comforting. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #132

I'm not sure where you are getting all that JuniperLea Feb 2013 #139

"I'd prefer to speak in REAL TRUTH instead of your own made up "truth." 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #147

No, there is only one truth, one set of facts obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #161

It is an idiom often used in suppport networks. But also used elsewhere. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #44

Thank you. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #55

Which is really nothing but their own feelings... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #62

Blame it on Indira Gandi Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #104

That's not used in the same way... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #123

I make the little joke. I've read the book. It's on my bookshelf. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #127

Well bully for you JuniperLea Feb 2013 #129

Damn. Just... damn Number23 Feb 2013 #50

This is for you. DevonRex Feb 2013 #85

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #160

Another "anyone who disagrees with me is a troll" rant. Yawn. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #18

Another troll-like "yawn" instead of substantive disagreement with the OP (nt) villager Feb 2013 #32

And another one! This thread's the gift that keeps on dumbing. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #34

I didn't "yawn," but commented on yours. Though your "comments" certainly prove out the OP's villager Feb 2013 #40

Is this an "I know you are but what am I?" post? JuniperLea Feb 2013 #130

I'm not completely sure what the yawner intended, JL, though it does seem to confirm the OP villager Feb 2013 #136

I only see snark toward the OP JuniperLea Feb 2013 #138

One set of facts doesn't preclude the other, though. As in the OJ trial. villager Feb 2013 #140

That is succinct and a spot on analysis. n/t JimDandy Feb 2013 #152

Oh, that complicates things. Let's just go back to the good ol' days of shcrane71 Feb 2013 #185

At least the person who you are calling a troll doesn't plagiarize iandhr Feb 2013 #134

So you think 1) F. Scott F is the only person in the Universe to ever make that observation? 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #190

People who kill other people are a tad crazy JuniperLea Feb 2013 #36

true enough, JL cali Feb 2013 #41

Sometimes there's just no understanding the crazy JuniperLea Feb 2013 #51

"People who kill other people are a tad crazy"? Not if they kill with drones, they're not. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #119

Killing is killing JuniperLea Feb 2013 #120

Really? Are our servicemembers who have killed in wars crazy? shcrane71 Feb 2013 #181

All killing is wrong JuniperLea Feb 2013 #197

I'm pretty sure the "attack trolls" went after you for "For all we know, it's a staged event"... SidDithers Feb 2013 #47

Yeah, that's more than a tad nutty... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #57

Totally 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #66

If being banned from an InterTube community has you shaking in fear... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #67

Well, you're 39,500+ posts into DU 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #75

I've been here nearly since the beginning... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #82

If you recognize al that, why make this thread?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #77

I didn't repeat the "offending" aspect of the prior OP 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #96

You know, part of taking responsibility is to stop whining and playing victim. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #84

I edited my OP to remove "offending" text 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #108

Maybe you should just let this go. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #110

Maybe you are right 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #118

It's rather dangerous that so many people seem to find the Dorner back story shcrane71 Feb 2013 #186

Interesting commentary 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #191

You want to see an Attack? Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #59

This is the "new" DU -- You can't have discussions any more. You're always under attack. gateley Feb 2013 #61

Thank you for posting this mokawanis Feb 2013 #76

Thank you. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #81

Dude, stop playing victim for your own stupid ass CT-lite post. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #78

Thanks for so studiously ignoring everything else I said 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #91

Perhaps if you stopped whining how people reacted to your literally insane post geek tragedy Feb 2013 #94

OK, I got flamed, and took the heat 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #114

They can't parse LAPD's hipocrisy. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #83

To be perfectly honest, a good many of us come here ready to fight-- ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #92

Take that back!! randome Feb 2013 #112

. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #148

methinks you exaggerate a tad ... Trajan Feb 2013 #101

Fine. You're curious. Look at the evidence. randome Feb 2013 #102

RW trolls got the memo to attack anyone who expressed the slightest concern kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #103

Actually, the OP is the one who posted something akin to rightwing nuttery. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #106

Keep on keepin' on growlin' over that bone. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #116

Well, the OP is the one who's still picking at that scab. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #117

The OP is not the only one who has been accused of supporting Dorner when they've done no such thing Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #121

The OP was again suggesting Dorner was framed even as his fourth victim was dying this geek tragedy Feb 2013 #159

Erm, one was years ago, another was days ago. joshcryer Feb 2013 #135

"At what point are we going to address police culture that created Dorner?" Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #105

Bingo! When indeed. Like I've said elsewhere on DU, 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #128

I'm always interested in the back-story. Here's something truth2power Feb 2013 #107

Wow. Now that IS spot-on. Amazingly relevant. Thanks. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #124

And once that has become accepted as general practice zeemike Feb 2013 #150

Yeah, that does seem weird. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #115

Aside from the fact he's a murderer. I think the LAPD is a rolemodel for being corrupt, and Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #122

Is strikingly similar to the classic Frankenstein tale 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #126

Damn! You have a very good point...it's sort of like the Tea Party Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #142

hmm .. yah, them too. nicely put. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #146

I really, really hate to wade into a mess like this, but here goes - haele Feb 2013 #141

Thank you so much. You say it much better than I apparently 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #151

+1 That was worth reading. Thank You. nt shcrane71 Feb 2013 #184

oh bullshit... You were not 'asking questions', you were creating conspiracies about President Obama Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #143

As I read through all these posts, a thought kept running in my mind, WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #144

(That) anyone caught in #LAPD's warpath is just collateral damage should be addressed by media. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #145

Lost me at "(it's always a male it seems)" n/t Gore1FL Feb 2013 #149

There HAD to be at least one comment on that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #167

Whatever Gore1FL Feb 2013 #169

Yeah, everyone knows gunwomen don't deserve national news coverage. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #182

I'll take your word on that. Gore1FL Feb 2013 #192

This guy is like the Unabomber, not Robin Hood obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #158

And the LAPD resembles Hitler's SS, more than the Andy Griffith Show. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #164

Dorner is a murderer, not a folk hero obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #166

"It's not exactly hidden that the LAPD is a corrupt organization" 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #170

As much attention was given to it as has been given to others' reasons for murdering people. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #176

The good guys with guns got the bad guys with guns and stopped the evil-doing. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #178

Where do you get off calling people trolls? CBHagman Feb 2013 #183

Squirrel!!! shcrane71 Feb 2013 #187

Many of these "opinions" consist almost entirely of wanting me to just STFU. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #193

Here's the difference... brooklynite Feb 2013 #188

can't you people spell??? Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2013 #189

Democrats can hold two thoughts at once. Republicans -- not so much. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #195