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Threedifferentones

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196. It isn't like that at all. Here's the difference.

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:10 AM

Feb 2013

1. It has been well known that the LAPD is full of problems, that their officers are too frequently corrupt and abusive, and that this problem must reflect a culture and not merely a few proverbial "bad apples." Since Dorner has the LAPD all over every front page, it is only natural to talk about what's on everybody's mind.

2. It is well known that Charlie Manson was absolutely guilty, and that he would have been convicted in any court and any trial.

See the difference? One of the things in your comparison is true. The LAPD really is corrupt. The other is not, Hughes' death did not affect the outcome of that trial. Considering this, what use is your post?

Well, it can be helpful to show people how NOT to reason, so I won't say none at all.

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WTF is so "special" about Dorner & the LAPD, that unleashes Attack-Trolls on DU? [View all] 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 OP

Yeah...Dorner's in a firefight right now with Fish&Game & deputies after a home invasion. Maybe msanthrope Feb 2013 #1

Or now is good too. EOTE Feb 2013 #6

Well, I'm waiting for the part of the Manifesto that justifies a home invasion and shooting at Fish& msanthrope Feb 2013 #7

How dare you! Wait Wut Feb 2013 #22

Well, the leading authority on F&G shennanigans is Dorner! Which is why he shot at them! So let's msanthrope Feb 2013 #35

Oh, I'm sorry, you must be incredibly confused. EOTE Feb 2013 #25

No--I'm suggesting something quite different. I'm suggesting that using Mr. Dorner's complaints msanthrope Feb 2013 #46

The OP is asking why people are so intent on shutting down discussion of Dorner's motivations. EOTE Feb 2013 #49

Yeah....I'm really tired of trying to figure out the motivations of murderers. Adam Lanza had msanthrope Feb 2013 #68

Have fun with your anti-intellectualism. EOTE Feb 2013 #70

Educating yourself??? Off a Facebook page? Let me not stand in the way of your intellectual msanthrope Feb 2013 #90

You're the one talking about Facebook, not us. EOTE Feb 2013 #93

Um theKed Feb 2013 #88

WOW iandhr Feb 2013 #109

Wow, you just showed no sympathy for his victims too! EOTE Feb 2013 #154

Maybe because he murdered innocent civilians? iandhr Feb 2013 #111

What on earth are you blabbering about? EOTE Feb 2013 #153

Good Grief. Your Posts Make the Point of the OP Rather Nicely dballance Feb 2013 #194

It isn't like that at all. Here's the difference. Threedifferentones Feb 2013 #196

Well I always wonder what makes a person go off like this. I always thought knowning southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #26

There's very little to be learned to 'help the next person' right now. He's engaged in shooting msanthrope Feb 2013 #54

I still would love to know why he snapped that he would go down to murder like that. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #97

And how many times did we read that he'd NEVER harm anyone he didn't have involvement with? n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #60

Why do want to shut down a perfectly reasonable discussion about the injustices suffered by a spree msanthrope Feb 2013 #71

I hadn't thought about that. Here in Big Bear they can be real assholes too. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #73

We're being anti-intellectual, apparently. We're impeding the great understanding msanthrope Feb 2013 #95

And I have this burning yearning to understand his motivations... n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #98

Of course. Because his motivations will prove what a tortured soul he is....nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #100

Where did you read that? EOTE Feb 2013 #74

Here's the FIRST time I read something like that... there have been many other instances. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #79

That was 5 days AFTER he had already killed two innocents. EOTE Feb 2013 #89

And one just died obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #156

I'm sure someone will tell me how fucking important it is we discuss Dorner's msanthrope Feb 2013 #162

I know -- the guy is the Unabomber obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #165

Oh, double-standards abound on this website! villager Feb 2013 #2

I can't explain the double standard, but I do feel for you. EOTE Feb 2013 #3

As the Republican Party dies more and more conservatives creep under our tent. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #56

Nailed it! AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #113

Ah well this guy posted on the internet that he is responsible. iandhr Feb 2013 #131

Yes you are right. And the Conservatives among us would say that means he rhett o rick Feb 2013 #137

I would disagree with those people. iandhr Feb 2013 #174

He will probably himself give up his right to a trial by pleading guilty. iandhr Feb 2013 #175

It's a conservative trait to instinctually side with authority and power. Marr Feb 2013 #168

Some times I think one person has several personas. zeemike Feb 2013 #133

I'm pretty much certain of it. EOTE Feb 2013 #157

Someone else here said that they are slipping in under the tent zeemike Feb 2013 #171

In my opinion, some posters have latched onto the fact that people are interested in the story DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #4

It does appear to be the case, at least re: Dorner. Thanks for noticing. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #125

because it has reached the conspiracy theory stage JI7 Feb 2013 #5

I saw but didn't read an article in a Twitter post that a friend of Dorners says he is Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #11

and romney paid for college for some guy he met JI7 Feb 2013 #14

Excuse me? Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #21

I didn't say that it did, sheesh. It does go against any meme that he's only just a thug. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #24

Right...it just helps you with your "LAPD are domestic terrorists" meme... zappaman Feb 2013 #29

The LAPD tortures, kills and imprisons innocent people. EOTE Feb 2013 #64

When OUR gov't does it, it's not torture, murder 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #155

zappaman works for LAPD's social media department. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #179

Nah, Zappaman just lives and works in LA zappaman Feb 2013 #180

He can be a thug. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #30

Nice to see that people are willing to entertain at least a 2-dimensional character study of a man Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #45

"There is a $1,000,000 bounty out for him. What does he know that they don't want him to tell?" zappaman Feb 2013 #48

Oh, so Dorner had his trial already & been adjudicated, found guilty? I wasn't aware of this. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #13

the manifesto , the ex girlfriend's words , the shooting of the couple JI7 Feb 2013 #15

Why are you insisting that I am somehow trying to "excuse" or "justify" Dorner 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #27

Are you back to suggesting that Obama staged this? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #80

His fourth victim died while you were posting this apologia for him and starting geek tragedy Feb 2013 #163

I give up 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #172

He's dead now, so I guess you can go on pretending that there's some great mystery as geek tragedy Feb 2013 #173

NPR reported today that everyone who knew him, save an ex-girlfriend are completely shocked shcrane71 Feb 2013 #177

Holding two or more thoughts... liberalmuse Feb 2013 #8

I don't find it scary at all cali Feb 2013 #16

Wait! Wut? Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #19

Chief Beck isn't going to re-open the case. That's bullshit. LAPD LIE. Mayor Villaraigosa calls this Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #28

"Chief Beck isn't going to re-open the case. That's bullshit. LAPD LIE." zappaman Feb 2013 #33

Please re-read my post, because you read it wrong. liberalmuse Feb 2013 #39

nothing like making broad claims. cali Feb 2013 #9

Is this the post where you "respond" to the "double-standard" question? 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #52

From where I stand, Salem, MA had nothing Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #10

I notice that NO ONE's willing to even touch my "what's up w/ the double-standard?" issue. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #38

because there is no double standard- cali Feb 2013 #43

I would take a break from DU for awhile.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #86

I see you didn't repeat the claim that Dorner's killing spree might be a "staged event"... Skinner Feb 2013 #12

Thanks. I find that- and this op- disturbing cali Feb 2013 #17

Yes. HappyMe Feb 2013 #20

I really hear what those people have to say IF he's taken alive... n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #69

I'm quickly losing my interest in continuing to participate in DU 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #23

No one ProSense Feb 2013 #31

Your truth? JuniperLea Feb 2013 #37

Everyone has their own truth. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #42

LOL "Everyone has their own truth." Que the X-Files theme... FSogol Feb 2013 #53

Ahh so you smelled the blood and came running. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #58

No, I read your post and laughed. When the episode ended yesterday, I thought everything FSogol Feb 2013 #63

Doubling down on what exactly? 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #72

I think post #94 sums it up pretty well. FSogol Feb 2013 #99

Seems like somone rang the dinner bell... RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #87

Right... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #65

That must be very comforting. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #132

I'm not sure where you are getting all that JuniperLea Feb 2013 #139

"I'd prefer to speak in REAL TRUTH instead of your own made up "truth." 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #147

No, there is only one truth, one set of facts obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #161

It is an idiom often used in suppport networks. But also used elsewhere. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #44

Thank you. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #55

Which is really nothing but their own feelings... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #62

Blame it on Indira Gandi Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #104

That's not used in the same way... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #123

I make the little joke. I've read the book. It's on my bookshelf. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #127

Well bully for you JuniperLea Feb 2013 #129

Damn. Just... damn Number23 Feb 2013 #50

This is for you. DevonRex Feb 2013 #85

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #160

Another "anyone who disagrees with me is a troll" rant. Yawn. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #18

Another troll-like "yawn" instead of substantive disagreement with the OP (nt) villager Feb 2013 #32

And another one! This thread's the gift that keeps on dumbing. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #34

I didn't "yawn," but commented on yours. Though your "comments" certainly prove out the OP's villager Feb 2013 #40

Is this an "I know you are but what am I?" post? JuniperLea Feb 2013 #130

I'm not completely sure what the yawner intended, JL, though it does seem to confirm the OP villager Feb 2013 #136

I only see snark toward the OP JuniperLea Feb 2013 #138

One set of facts doesn't preclude the other, though. As in the OJ trial. villager Feb 2013 #140

That is succinct and a spot on analysis. n/t JimDandy Feb 2013 #152

Oh, that complicates things. Let's just go back to the good ol' days of shcrane71 Feb 2013 #185

At least the person who you are calling a troll doesn't plagiarize iandhr Feb 2013 #134

So you think 1) F. Scott F is the only person in the Universe to ever make that observation? 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #190

People who kill other people are a tad crazy JuniperLea Feb 2013 #36

true enough, JL cali Feb 2013 #41

Sometimes there's just no understanding the crazy JuniperLea Feb 2013 #51

"People who kill other people are a tad crazy"? Not if they kill with drones, they're not. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #119

Killing is killing JuniperLea Feb 2013 #120

Really? Are our servicemembers who have killed in wars crazy? shcrane71 Feb 2013 #181

All killing is wrong JuniperLea Feb 2013 #197

I'm pretty sure the "attack trolls" went after you for "For all we know, it's a staged event"... SidDithers Feb 2013 #47

Yeah, that's more than a tad nutty... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #57

Totally 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #66

If being banned from an InterTube community has you shaking in fear... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #67

Well, you're 39,500+ posts into DU 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #75

I've been here nearly since the beginning... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #82

If you recognize al that, why make this thread?... SidDithers Feb 2013 #77

I didn't repeat the "offending" aspect of the prior OP 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #96

You know, part of taking responsibility is to stop whining and playing victim. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #84

I edited my OP to remove "offending" text 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #108

Maybe you should just let this go. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #110

Maybe you are right 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #118

It's rather dangerous that so many people seem to find the Dorner back story shcrane71 Feb 2013 #186

Interesting commentary 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #191

You want to see an Attack? Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #59

This is the "new" DU -- You can't have discussions any more. You're always under attack. gateley Feb 2013 #61

Thank you for posting this mokawanis Feb 2013 #76

Thank you. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #81

Dude, stop playing victim for your own stupid ass CT-lite post. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #78

Thanks for so studiously ignoring everything else I said 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #91

Perhaps if you stopped whining how people reacted to your literally insane post geek tragedy Feb 2013 #94

OK, I got flamed, and took the heat 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #114

They can't parse LAPD's hipocrisy. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #83

To be perfectly honest, a good many of us come here ready to fight-- ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #92

Take that back!! randome Feb 2013 #112

. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #148

methinks you exaggerate a tad ... Trajan Feb 2013 #101

Fine. You're curious. Look at the evidence. randome Feb 2013 #102

RW trolls got the memo to attack anyone who expressed the slightest concern kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #103

Actually, the OP is the one who posted something akin to rightwing nuttery. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #106

Keep on keepin' on growlin' over that bone. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #116

Well, the OP is the one who's still picking at that scab. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #117

The OP is not the only one who has been accused of supporting Dorner when they've done no such thing Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #121

The OP was again suggesting Dorner was framed even as his fourth victim was dying this geek tragedy Feb 2013 #159

Erm, one was years ago, another was days ago. joshcryer Feb 2013 #135

"At what point are we going to address police culture that created Dorner?" Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #105

Bingo! When indeed. Like I've said elsewhere on DU, 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #128

I'm always interested in the back-story. Here's something truth2power Feb 2013 #107

Wow. Now that IS spot-on. Amazingly relevant. Thanks. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #124

And once that has become accepted as general practice zeemike Feb 2013 #150

Yeah, that does seem weird. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #115

Aside from the fact he's a murderer. I think the LAPD is a rolemodel for being corrupt, and Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #122

Is strikingly similar to the classic Frankenstein tale 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #126

Damn! You have a very good point...it's sort of like the Tea Party Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #142

hmm .. yah, them too. nicely put. ~nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #146

I really, really hate to wade into a mess like this, but here goes - haele Feb 2013 #141

Thank you so much. You say it much better than I apparently 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #151

+1 That was worth reading. Thank You. nt shcrane71 Feb 2013 #184

oh bullshit... You were not 'asking questions', you were creating conspiracies about President Obama Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #143

As I read through all these posts, a thought kept running in my mind, WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #144

(That) anyone caught in #LAPD's warpath is just collateral damage should be addressed by media. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #145

Lost me at "(it's always a male it seems)" n/t Gore1FL Feb 2013 #149

There HAD to be at least one comment on that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #167

Whatever Gore1FL Feb 2013 #169

Yeah, everyone knows gunwomen don't deserve national news coverage. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #182

I'll take your word on that. Gore1FL Feb 2013 #192

This guy is like the Unabomber, not Robin Hood obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #158

And the LAPD resembles Hitler's SS, more than the Andy Griffith Show. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #164

Dorner is a murderer, not a folk hero obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #166

"It's not exactly hidden that the LAPD is a corrupt organization" 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #170

As much attention was given to it as has been given to others' reasons for murdering people. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #176

The good guys with guns got the bad guys with guns and stopped the evil-doing. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #178

Where do you get off calling people trolls? CBHagman Feb 2013 #183

Squirrel!!! shcrane71 Feb 2013 #187

Many of these "opinions" consist almost entirely of wanting me to just STFU. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #193

Here's the difference... brooklynite Feb 2013 #188

can't you people spell??? Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2013 #189

Democrats can hold two thoughts at once. Republicans -- not so much. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #195