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In reply to the discussion: 7-Day Drone Poll [View all]

joshcryer

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55. I passed for one simple reason.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:23 AM
Feb 2013

Being anti-authoritarian, it is clear that states will use whatever means that they will have at their disposal against belligerents. With that knowledge the only consistent position you can take is "states don't like belligerents."

If you say, "I do not believe the state I live within should protect itself from belligerents," then you are effectively saying "I do not believe the state I live within should be a state." Since, clearly, if states do not protect themselves from belligerents they will fall into disarray and no longer be states. Such a position is untenable, and indeed, ridiculous.

No state on the planet will give up its sovereign right to protect itself from belligerents.

The first proposition supposes states shouldn't use certain technologies to protect themselves. This is all well and good, but it is not a scenario that exists in reality. Even the most anti-American of states are building nukes, and the very same people who might say that we shouldn't use drones would come off as pro-proliferation when it comes anti-American states having nuclear warheads! A truly diabolical proposition!

The second proposition supposes that the drone war is a war on a declared state. It is not. It is a war against those not recognized by a state. For good reason. If a state recognized the belligerents, then they would defacto be responsible for the actions of the belligerents, and themselves would be a target, and not drone strikes, but actions far more sinister such as a ground invasion.

The third through eighth propositions are basically not that different except they make silly exceptions for whether one is American or not or whether one resides in America or not. All of those scenarios ignore that no state on the planet will give up its sovereign right to protect itself from belligerents. So they are untenable, they simply aren't reality. Adding law enforcement into the mix ups the ante but it's also not very different.

So when I'm asked, "Do you support targeted assassination or military strikes with drones?" my answer is clearly no. But I'm not naive to believe that there exist any other possibility when states are concerned and therefore cannot vote "other" because there simply exist no other possibility. They will be increasingly used, and they will be used within the United States. It's inevitable.

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7-Day Drone Poll [View all] Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 OP
I support the rights of other nations to send drones everywhere and anywhere they please, up 2on2u Feb 2013 #1
War is stupid. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #2
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I find this a difficult question to answer BainsBane Feb 2013 #4
yup otherone Feb 2013 #6
It's no due process or declaration of war that makes it unethical. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #36
due process I agree with BainsBane Feb 2013 #39
Never ever unless we want to extend that privilege to others Catherina Feb 2013 #9
Agreed! nt avebury Feb 2013 #51
Like all the rest of this crap your poll misses the salient issue whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #15
Oh, I completely agree with you. Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #17
Ah... whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #19
The problem with internet polls as you probably know they are not particularly accurate davidpdx Feb 2013 #29
+1 BainsBane Feb 2013 #22
kick Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #16
There are people in this world who want to kill Americans baldguy Feb 2013 #18
Drone strikes eliminates terrorists. Targeting is good and will become better with coming bluestate10 Feb 2013 #21
Wow, I didn't know fantasy was your forte! Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #30
That's actually their long term roadmap. joshcryer Feb 2013 #56
I voted uncertain. xoom Feb 2013 #20
Drone strikes on US soil is smokescreen bullshit that the anti-Drone crowd has conjured up. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #23
Exactly. xoom Feb 2013 #33
BS, easy scenario where they could be used on US soil: joshcryer Feb 2013 #57
Never. If it is worth a war then by definition it is worth skin TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #24
+100! (n/t) 2naSalit Feb 2013 #26
If it's ok for us, it's ok for somebody else. hay rick Feb 2013 #27
That's true, Cuba is the first country that comes to mind, they have the strongest claim... Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #31
Even though I voted in this poll, I find it flawed, it assumes Godlike knowledge of who is... Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #32
Both very good points Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #34
Define " targeted assassination". Of Americans? grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #37
That would depend on which poll option you choose Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #38
The problem w/#2 is that Congress declares war on way too many folks - TBF Feb 2013 #46
Congress hasn't officially declared war on anyone since WW2 Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #47
Good point - TBF Feb 2013 #60
I understand there use against terrorists, but I'd like to see some sort hedgehog Feb 2013 #48
K&R csziggy Feb 2013 #50
Kick Omaha Steve Feb 2013 #52
K&R Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #53
Other Martin Eden Feb 2013 #54
I passed for one simple reason. joshcryer Feb 2013 #55
Fuck war. n/t Earth_First Feb 2013 #58
I tend to agree. Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #61
K&R markpkessinger Feb 2013 #63
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