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In reply to the discussion: Dorner's con game worked [View all]nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)47. What I am repeating is well known police scandals
One of them earned LAPD a DOJ investigation
The Rampart scandal refers to widespread corruption in the Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums (or CRASH) anti-gang unit of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Rampart Division in the late 1990s. More than 70 police officers either assigned to or associated with the Rampart CRASH unit were implicated in some form of misconduct, making it one of the most widespread cases of documented police misconduct in United States history. The convicted offenses include unprovoked shootings, unprovoked beatings, planting of false evidence, framing of suspects, stealing and dealing narcotics, bank robbery, perjury, and the covering up of evidence of these activities.[1]
The Rampart Scandal is notable in popular culture because at least three LAPD officers implicated in the scandal were found to be on the payroll of hip-hop mogul Marion "Suge" Knight of Death Row Records, a convicted felon with known ties to the Bloods street gang. Moreover, LAPD investigators alleged Rampart CRASH officers Nino Durden, Rafael Pérez and David Mack were involved in the 1997 drive-by murder of recording artist Notorious B.I.G..[2]
The Rampart investigation, based mainly on statements of the admitted corrupt officer (Pérez), initially implicated over 70 officers of wrongdoing. Of those officers, enough evidence was found to bring 58 before an internal administrative board. However, of the officers named by Pérez, only 24 were actually found to have committed any wrongdoing, with 12 given suspensions of various lengths, 7 forced to resign or retire, and 5 fired.[3] As a result of the probe into falsified evidence and police perjury, 106 prior criminal convictions were overturned.[4] The Rampart Scandal resulted in more than 140 civil lawsuits against the city of Los Angeles, costing the city an estimated $125 million in settlements.[5]
Partly as a result of the scandal, Police Chief Bernard Parks was not rehired by Mayor James K. Hahn in 2001. Both the scandal and the de facto firing of Parks are believed to have precipitated Mayor Hahn's defeat by Antonio Villaraigosa in the 2005 election.[6]
As of 2013 the full extent of Rampart corruption is not known, with several rape, murder and robbery investigations involving Rampart officers remaining unsolved.[7][8]
The Rampart Scandal is notable in popular culture because at least three LAPD officers implicated in the scandal were found to be on the payroll of hip-hop mogul Marion "Suge" Knight of Death Row Records, a convicted felon with known ties to the Bloods street gang. Moreover, LAPD investigators alleged Rampart CRASH officers Nino Durden, Rafael Pérez and David Mack were involved in the 1997 drive-by murder of recording artist Notorious B.I.G..[2]
The Rampart investigation, based mainly on statements of the admitted corrupt officer (Pérez), initially implicated over 70 officers of wrongdoing. Of those officers, enough evidence was found to bring 58 before an internal administrative board. However, of the officers named by Pérez, only 24 were actually found to have committed any wrongdoing, with 12 given suspensions of various lengths, 7 forced to resign or retire, and 5 fired.[3] As a result of the probe into falsified evidence and police perjury, 106 prior criminal convictions were overturned.[4] The Rampart Scandal resulted in more than 140 civil lawsuits against the city of Los Angeles, costing the city an estimated $125 million in settlements.[5]
Partly as a result of the scandal, Police Chief Bernard Parks was not rehired by Mayor James K. Hahn in 2001. Both the scandal and the de facto firing of Parks are believed to have precipitated Mayor Hahn's defeat by Antonio Villaraigosa in the 2005 election.[6]
As of 2013 the full extent of Rampart corruption is not known, with several rape, murder and robbery investigations involving Rampart officers remaining unsolved.[7][8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal
I guess Wikipedia and the Department of Justice were with Dorner when one had the entry written and the other did the investigation on the The CRASH unit.
I guess the scandal is a figment of our collective imaginations.
Reaad the bolded section with special interest. The Wiki Authors most have thought of Christopher Dorner, a yet to explode issue, when they wrote that section in particular.
Thetre is a lot of straw in that mind of yours, and a lot of black and white thinking.
LAPD needs to go under the DOJ magnifying glass AGAIN, and this is independent of the actions or lack of actions of Christopher Dorner.
Now go ahead and tell me why we were all were caught in the con again.
Let me repeat this. NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND wants to have ANY contact with the LAPD, there is a well earned hate and even fear of the Department. That includes people like me who not only live on the right side of the tracts, but 300 miles outside their jurisdiction. This started well before Christopher Doner was even in the radar, by a couple decades.
Now there is a pile of fresh straw for you o'er there!!!
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I was pointing that out on other threads, this is a blanket sort of OP I think
Katashi_itto
Feb 2013
#5
Well yes, you do have a point there. Personally I think its overall a reaction to how much Badwill
Katashi_itto
Feb 2013
#13
So is it possible to recognize both--that Dorner was a seriously disturbed individual
Skidmore
Feb 2013
#20
We are. you are interpreting what we say. There is noone here on DU who defends what DOrner did.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#186
I saw none. I saw Duers discussing his manifesto. discussing the LAPd. dsicussing what caused ALL of
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#56
You missed the five years in Court. And the other 2 officers who already came forward
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#75
no. I am not. I am saying people who go through living hell for 5 years come out of it
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#129
and yet that is what person after person who knew him says on tv. and every single photograph.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#165
because he was fired from the LAPD? and in Court against the LAPD? could be.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#169
and, these were murders, cold blooded murders, not like a sniper shooting anyone in sight.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#177
Nothing in my post says the LAPD is responsible for his action. I don't think that. nor does anyone
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#181
only you keep saying that. This is your thing. Do you come form an LAPD family/ Something that is
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#191
This is the first post where you seem human. I dont sympathize with Dorner.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#204
Which just goes to show there are crazy people on both sides of the political aisle.
Sekhmets Daughter
Feb 2013
#147
True, however the reality that he is a murderer does not invalidate the long history of coruption
DrewFlorida
Feb 2013
#53
Nothing explains his actions. They caused the anger which resulted in his actions.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#143
That is the story we know, so far, from the witnesses who knew him on tv. I'm sure we know very litt
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#175
All information about DOrner's history available up till now indicates that you are incorrect.
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#138
Yes, if we're not simplistic idiots. Apparently that's asking too much of some.
DirkGently
Feb 2013
#228
Let me direct you to the Rude Pundit, for he addresses your concerns most admirably. . .
Journeyman
Feb 2013
#6
The impact of LAPD's racism and corruption on him is not an "unrelated fact".
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#115
If it's related, it's relevant. And because he is dead and never got the benefit of a trial,
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#171
I have known people who were extremely depressed because they lost their jobs due
JDPriestly
Feb 2013
#96
and yet when asked to link to these posts where he is glorified & his killings justified, no one
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#50
a link to yet another OP by *you* is not a link to posters justifying the killings. nadin had never
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#64
blah blah. you're making lots of accusations and the links you posted don't support this latest
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#244
Dorner was a disgruntled worker who decided on a 2nd amendment solution.
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2013
#23
I agree 100%, LAPD is a corrupt organization which abuses it's power and oath to the public.
DrewFlorida
Feb 2013
#86
BS. Corruption, racism, and excessive force have existed in LAPD for ages.
HooptieWagon
Feb 2013
#48
I dislike guns and violence and do not condone his actions. I DO know LAPD are a shit hole
Fire Walk With Me
Feb 2013
#38
You have my full permission to project onto me whatever values you may wish to assume.
sibelian
Feb 2013
#245
Nobody is cheering him on. And YOU come live under LAPD and see how badly they
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#139
"nor do I think justification and reason for acting are the same - you evidently do"
sibelian
Feb 2013
#246
"So yeah, you just confirmed you cannot tell the difference between justification and reason"
sibelian
Feb 2013
#255
have you read his letter? hvae you heard the other two policemen who came forward in the
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#80
You've got screws loose if you don't see a relationship between Dorner's killing spree and
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#131
... and I would argue that you've fallen for the PR of the LAPD/police-authority complex.
Myrina
Feb 2013
#82
One should believe or not believe, based on whether or not that handcuffed man was kicked
robinlynne
Feb 2013
#198
Just because one doesn't support street justice doesn't mean they support a maniac.
Spitfire of ATJ
Feb 2013
#90
So you should post links, as people are asking you to do, because accusing with characterizations
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#141
You just keep right on with that black and white thinking of yours - though it
kestrel91316
Feb 2013
#105
Linking to entire threads where you agains just say 'some defend' is not what I asked for.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#202
Dorner was a mentally ill man with a grudge, not a con. It wasn't a game to him.
PDJane
Feb 2013
#227