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karynnj

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20. Mixed feelings

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 07:51 PM

Dec 2011

This is a must pass bill. He also can see that the votes for the Udall amendment and the two stronger Feinstein did not come close to 60 votes. The question is whether he is willing to veto the defense spending bill over the civil rights issue. Now, Bush vetoed a defense spending bill in 2007, because it included a resolution that he should set a time line on Iraq (Reid/Feingold - though it was a variation on Kerry/Feingold.) So, vetoing it would not be unprecedented.

I wonder if he could sign it and address the issue in a signing statement.

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Before getting all steamed up about Obama's not vetoing the bill, ask yourself, [View all] Cal33 Dec 2011 OP

I trust the ACLU. Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2011 #1

I trust and support the ACLU also. But how long has this new National Defense bill Cal33 Dec 2011 #7

Here's from ACLU today. Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #14

If we said we trusted President Obama treestar Dec 2011 #43

Where do intend to learn more? dogknob Dec 2011 #2

Unfortunately, I don't know of any source that will provide reliable last-minue information. Cal33 Dec 2011 #11

ACLU, CCR and Human Rights Watch all can do that. nt EFerrari Dec 2011 #16

Thanks for the information. Cal33 Dec 2011 #26

What happened to his promise to close Gitmo? rhett o rick Dec 2011 #3

Actually, passing this bill could enable him to finally do that. phleshdef Dec 2011 #10

it gives this President and ANY FUTURE President the power to detain or not indefinitely. period. piratefish08 Dec 2011 #28

Only if you believe in oversimplified, wholly inaccurate bullshit. phleshdef Dec 2011 #39

More rational thinking Anatos Dec 2011 #52

Then read parts of the bill.. SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #4

I clicked on the link above and got another link. I clicked on the second link Cal33 Dec 2011 #27

I like the Library of Congress "Thomas" site for reading legislation bhikkhu Dec 2011 #57

Many thanks. I do appreciate it. Cal33 Dec 2011 #59

We're leaving Iraq ... and the last thing we should do is know that. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #5

Thanks for bringing a note of sanity to the frenzy flamingdem Dec 2011 #6

If you see me post "Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad" ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #8

Obama can stop being bad and Congress can stop being worse and much of it would solve TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #21

Ohhhh scary .... get the fainting couch. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #29

There was something in the OP about reading legislation before jumping to conclusions... bhikkhu Dec 2011 #58

He doesn't make it very difficult for them to do that. nt Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #46

How so? Anatos Dec 2011 #53

"Because to keep ratings UP, they need the election to be close." I assume Cal33 Dec 2011 #15

You have pretty much nailed what is going on. emulatorloo Dec 2011 #19

On that ratings thing... Anatos Dec 2011 #24

Once the GOP picks their "ahem" candidate ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #38

You act as if Anatos Dec 2011 #47

Oh sure ... no disagreement that they would pretend to not JoePhilly Dec 2011 #54

They already are Anatos Dec 2011 #55

It's annoying. redqueen Dec 2011 #42

It is all about Anatos Dec 2011 #48

I smell Rove roseBudd Dec 2011 #9

Try toothpaste. Robb Dec 2011 #12

Or Lysol :) Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #13

"I smell Rove." The all-time big and weird sicko. I wonder how much longer this "era of sickos" Cal33 Dec 2011 #17

I could have done without Obama lying he was going to veto the bill. provis99 Dec 2011 #18

Mixed feelings karynnj Dec 2011 #20

No, he cannot because it only covers his administration. He should veto or fucking resign. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #22

You know they do these appropriations bills every year, right? Robb Dec 2011 #31

How maddeningly cerebral of you Anatos Dec 2011 #23

Just a day or two ago I wrote in this forum that if someone like Sanders were to run Cal33 Dec 2011 #25

I honestly have no problem Anatos Dec 2011 #49

I'm pretty much convinced that the extremists of any political party, the fanatics in short, are Cal33 Dec 2011 #56

So...the mandatory insurance bill...makes indefinite detention of US citizens OK? Romulox Dec 2011 #30

I was just pointing out that I heard so many complaints about the Healthcare Reform Cal33 Dec 2011 #33

The "Healthcare Reform" bill forces Americans to buy private insurance; it's awful, and by no Romulox Dec 2011 #34

I admitted there were weaknesses in the Healthcare Reform bill, and also said that Cal33 Dec 2011 #37

That is all they got. comipinko Dec 2011 #36

Nor would I Anatos Dec 2011 #50

The OP claimed it was all too complicated for her, and that we should just trust authority. Romulox Dec 2011 #60

The OP claimed no such thing Anatos Dec 2011 #61

I miss the unrec. Logical Dec 2011 #32

From what I've seen Anatos Dec 2011 #51

A big UN-REC !! comipinko Dec 2011 #35

Trying to find anything good in that bill is like trying to find the clean end of a turd. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #40

My intention was not to make this bill look good. I was simply saying to take Cal33 Dec 2011 #41

80%? I get better odds at the nearest tribal casino derby378 Dec 2011 #44

He should have vetoed it based on spending alone... Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #45