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Prism

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Sun Jan 29, 2012, 07:43 AM Jan 2012

So a few baptists came to the door today . . . [View all]

I was getting ready for work when the doorbell rang. I was a little surprised because the entrance to my apartment is in the back of the building, and usually only squirrels and hummingbirds manage to find the place. But, being a sociable sort, I answered the door, and there were two men. Entirely too blonde, too many teeth, powder blue button downs and khakis that imply entirely too much put-togetherness. But, I'm absurdly polite, so I say hallo.

"Hi, we're from the Baptist church over on . . ."

Ok, no. I'm a gay deist. But they persist as my boyfriend observes hidden in the recesses of the apartment. "Have you thought about what happens to you in the ever after?" I certainly have. And being an amateur cosmologist, it has almost nothing to do with the Bible. But, just for shits and giggles (and vaguely because I feel like this will be the path of least resistance), I note "Of course. I'm Catholic (I was raised one. Southern Baptists hate Catholics, so I figured this was an easy out. Not so!).

This generates lots of discussion about interpretations of the Bible.

I do a bit of ideological fencing. Their idea of Catholicism is a bit stereotypical ("No, not all Catholics are super-obedient to the Pope in Rome). We discusss Biblical passages. They ask me all about the after-life. I answer. They discuss. I answer. I answer for at least twenty minutes. Finally, I declare, "So, I need to leave for work soon, but I'll read this and think on it." End of communication.

And you know what? It didn't hurt me. It didn't scar me. I'm a gay male raised Catholic, and I could weather some evangelical missionaries at my front door while my homosexual boyfriend hovered in the backrground. They believed what they do quite earnestly, and it didn't entirely destroy my shit.

I feel like we've lost something in this country. The ability to say "Well, I don't believe as you do, but, whatever." Isn't that the mark of tolerance and plurality? To be able to say "We're different, and that's pretty ok!"

When we can't say that, I feel we're erring. No, I don't share their religion. Yes, they're totally hosed about my equality. I could've gotten real, real nasty. But . . . that's not who I am. We believe. I'll lay my case out as best I can, we'll have a dialogue, and let's see where we go from there.

So, I spent my morning sopping wet, just this side of being late to work, totally gay, and had a conversation with Baptists who were evangelizing.

And I lived to tell the tale.

Imagine that.

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I'm ok, you're ok Owlet Jan 2012 #1
We should learn to "Agree to disagree, agreeably." SharonAnn Jan 2012 #51
I would have gone Matt Damon on them waddirum Jan 2012 #2
I did to a degree Prism Jan 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #3
Does it count Prism Jan 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #7
If it helps Prism Jan 2012 #8
I'm shocked. That's what they mean by: Mira Jan 2012 #33
you deserve a medal unionworks Jan 2012 #6
"We're different, and that's pretty ok!" Union Scribe Jan 2012 #9
Pretty cool... onpatrol98 Jan 2012 #10
They were polite, so I was polite Prism Jan 2012 #11
Good point... onpatrol98 Jan 2012 #12
Maybe it's just me SecularMotion Jan 2012 #14
They believed it in earnest Prism Jan 2012 #17
I have better things to do than engage misguided door-to-door jesus salesmen. SecularMotion Jan 2012 #18
I don't. Prism Jan 2012 #20
If you're so interested in changing minds with engagement why aren't you knocking on their door? SecularMotion Jan 2012 #22
What did you mean? LiberalAndProud Jan 2012 #29
I meant as far as their Biblical literalism Prism Jan 2012 #42
I agree their total lack of respect for others' views is what ThomThom Jan 2012 #36
I applaud you for your maturity but, when the mormon's came to my door justiceischeap Jan 2012 #13
I totally understand what you're saying Prism Jan 2012 #16
You are right. The extremes have colored my view. They think they are Christian but are in fact appleannie1 Jan 2012 #30
That shows real class! :) LiberalLoner Jan 2012 #15
Lovely, and praise for being polite. However, if that happens two or three times a year txwhitedove Jan 2012 #19
I was a little surprised Prism Jan 2012 #24
And never mention your own religious preference cause that just sparks a conversation. I'm polite txwhitedove Jan 2012 #26
Many reigions believe in trying to "witness" to convert others. When they come to my door.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #21
I suck Prism Jan 2012 #23
It's tough, but I've had a lot of experience. I can say no to Boy Scouts and Girl Scout cookies.. Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #25
It's sad that you felt the need to lie about your beliefs. surrealAmerican Jan 2012 #27
Good OP pecwae Jan 2012 #28
I need a shower now . NT obliviously Jan 2012 #31
If you have time to waste, that is great. Maybe fun for you. Saying "not Interested" would have.... Logical Jan 2012 #32
Former Catholic and atheist who goes to a small(50-60 members), Baptist church regularly here NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #34
People don't know the definition or understanding of Relativism. vaberella Jan 2012 #35
I always ask them to 'please leave'...they do..No problems.. Tikki Jan 2012 #37
Once or twice, of course you are correct. I've been approached and 'witnessed' to way too many Fuzz Jan 2012 #38
I don't see where you told them you are gay dickthegrouch Jan 2012 #39
Twenty minutes? Really? The only way I would/could give them 20 minutes.... Scuba Jan 2012 #40
Very nice Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #41
The problem is... now they'll be back. mainer Jan 2012 #43
I am usually civil to people at my door tabbycat31 Jan 2012 #49
The point where they always lose me noamnety Jan 2012 #44
AMEN! Duer 157099 Jan 2012 #54
My always say, "I don't talk about my beliefs with people who just show up at my door." And Brickbat Jan 2012 #45
I tried the tactic of claiming I was Catholic Major Nikon Jan 2012 #46
I disagree. Dash Riprock Jan 2012 #47
The town that I live in has an ordinance against this behavior Major Nikon Jan 2012 #48
Let me know if they come back. I had this happen when I was in Law School. A couple of Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #50
We used to get a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses when I was growing up RZM Jan 2012 #52
You are much nicer than I, I would have encouraged my boyfriend to engage in the conversation and I NotThisTime Jan 2012 #53
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