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patrice

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50. Oh, I understand that much. What I don't know is how to parse it all out & I wonder if those
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:46 PM
Feb 2013

who are, possibly, gaming one another in this situation have parsed it out amongst themselves too, so that they've decided who gets thrown under the bus and when.

Are they being honest enough to even agree amongst themselves what the priorities are?

I'm not sure how that's even possible with all of the secret corporate personhood money floating around out there.

As I said, I can't parse it all out, but a few hypothetical and rather obvious examples would be:

Will overturning DOMA be the easiest, least expensive, project to abandon, since many in that cohort may be perfectly satisfied to fight it out as a states' rights issue anyway and loser states be damned because, of course, everyone can just move to whateer state that has the culture they like? and anyone who can't, well, that's just too bad, but it's their own fault anyway, so it doesn't REALLY matter whether some folks get their rights and others don't.

Will ERA 2.0 and pay equity for women and all of the issues attendant to that like defending Roe v. Wade and propagating any chance of universally accessible child-care, be the hardest project to abandon, since women are half of the population and represented by all 2+ political parties?

In between easiest and hardest to throw under the bus are tiny shades of probabilities, but, obviously, alternative energy development is going up against the deepest pockets of all domestically and internationally, so that one's going to be pretty easy to dump or drag their feet on.

All with plausible deniability, btw, a HIGHLY MARKETABLE COMMODITY that has been ever so effective in the past.

All of which brings up the issue of time: do we have time to pull alternative energy development out from under the bus and resurrect it? Will American business, especially quality sensitive techs, survive without the right to organize defending it against severe downward pressure on American wages? How much longer can we withstand rising health care costs without just pencil-whipping a whole bunch of elderly and disabled folks, and whatever unknown values they actually do represent, right into the grave?

Yeah, I know conjecture, all, but I'm just not sure that whatever's going on, amongst those you mention who will exact retribution against Democrats, is coherent enough to have even admitted any of this stuff to itself, let alone to have made any effort to identify what plans B, C, D etc. are as whoever gets thrown under the bus, step by step, can no longer be counted on to commit to those who do the throwing.

But then, perhaps, the generational wars are worse than I know and the balance of power, or at least the inertia, has already tilted irretrievably toward those who have more interest in reducing the sizes of various things, rather than actually helping solve any of these problems. That's reducing the sizes of various factors to scales that can be more easily controlled by the, not so new, but definitely more scalable made-over powers that be that take root amongst the "citizens of the archipelagos" wherever those cohorts turn out to be.


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Harry Reid did not have enough votes to change the filibuster. Deal with it. phleshdef Feb 2013 #1
oh but... Why pass up a chance to curse a D... Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #2
Not just tired, but also downright immature. phleshdef Feb 2013 #3
Why Not Just Quote The Count On Sesame Street HangOnKids Feb 2013 #4
People are acting nasty towards Reid over something he couldn't force. phleshdef Feb 2013 #6
In Another Post You Asked For People To Act Mature HangOnKids Feb 2013 #11
I didn't ask for people to do anything. I just called them what they are. phleshdef Feb 2013 #12
Not getting what I wanted? HangOnKids Feb 2013 #16
Yes he did. He only needed 51 Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #5
He didn't have 51. phleshdef Feb 2013 #7
Yeah, he did. He did not WANT fillibuster reform Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #19
And just as I pointed out to another poster below, read your own links before posting them. phleshdef Feb 2013 #27
So which Democratic Senators, other than Reid, were opposed to this Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #41
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #33
That's funny. Reid said himself he had 51 votes: Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #8
Perhaps you should read your own article, since it proves you wrong. phleshdef Feb 2013 #9
So the filibuster has been weakened? Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #13
Not nearly enough. No one is disputing that. Don't attempt to change the subject. phleshdef Feb 2013 #15
Well surely a weakened filibuster won't result in the first Secretary of Defense Nominee Filibuster Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #18
A whole field of strawmen right there. phleshdef Feb 2013 #30
Ya, but it's interesting Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #34
Thanks for that, phlesh. Cha Feb 2013 #21
Perhaps you should follow your own advice. jeff47 Feb 2013 #47
STRANGE that with how well that polls, the votes really weren't there & strange that none of US patrice Feb 2013 #17
Democrats face the very real possibility of being the minority party after the elections of 2014... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #29
Actually, that kind of scenario could work out better for Democrats, even when in the minority... markpkessinger Feb 2013 #37
You expect bravery from this bunch of career politicians? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #38
Oh, I understand that much. What I don't know is how to parse it all out & I wonder if those patrice Feb 2013 #50
Follow the money... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #54
I love Howard Zinn. I have A People's History on my iPod. patrice Feb 2013 #57
That remained to be seen . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #25
Theres a lot of public support for all kinds of things that don't get passed. phleshdef Feb 2013 #28
If only Reid could have done away with the filibuster. Oh wait. tblue Feb 2013 #32
Wait just a second. It was Harry that said he was bamboozled by the handshake deal rhett o rick Feb 2013 #45
There was more than one proposed reform jeff47 Feb 2013 #49
My party should have been planning for that moment for years. And learned how to twist the arms of Overseas Feb 2013 #52
I hope the vets and current military see just what the GOP really thinks about those who serve. kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #10
LOL, he probably will switch to Independent (can't be a Democrat) once he gets all TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #14
I'm not piling on Harry. It is what it is.. Bernie Sanders was on some show Cha Feb 2013 #20
If Reid only had 48 votes, then I suppose there's not much Harry could have done Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #23
It's confusing..there was a lot of opposing information coming out Cha Feb 2013 #24
If Reid only had 48 votes, we better get some primary challengers ready Chathamization Feb 2013 #40
Harry told us he had the numbers. And I think all he needed was 50. So who fucked up the numbers? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #46
No, there was 51 votes for most of the proposed reforms jeff47 Feb 2013 #48
Holy excrement wryter2000 Feb 2013 #22
we can all sleep better at night datasuspect Feb 2013 #26
This looks like a delay. nothing more. right? There will BE a vote. robinlynne Feb 2013 #31
let's hear it for a Harry!!! jonthebru Feb 2013 #35
The ReTHUGS are absolutely f*****g incorrigible big babies and don't Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #36
republicans control the senate with with a minority. LBJ must be rolling in his grave. nt msongs Feb 2013 #39
Does anybody think that the Republicans are going to filibuster ALL of Obama's kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #42
Shocker. Yet another attack on a Democratic Party Congressional leader... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #43
Maybe the Pres could nominate Rummy DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #44
There's a really quick solution here OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #51
I love that idea. Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #53
Shaw AFB in South Carolina strikes me as an excellent starting point OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #55
Harry Reid says: ReRe Feb 2013 #56
The cloture vote has failed: Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #58
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