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Prism

(5,815 posts)
16. I totally understand what you're saying
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jan 2012

With me, I sort of understand their thinking. "Well, the Bible says . . ." and I understand that. I know what their religion's based on. I can explain, "Well, Paul also said . . ." and carry it on from there.

Simply going "You're wrong, I'm right. I'm good, you're evil. And he're why!" might feel satisfying on a personal level, but I don't feel like a give-and-take has taken place. I do feel the need to engage on their level. I was a little taken by surprise by these two. I live in East Bay S.F. Not exactly a hotbed of evangelism. I wasn't expecting this visit in the slightest. When the doorbell rang, I thought it was maintenance. When I heard "Have you thought of your eternal . . ." My internal response was "What the hell . . ."

But I listened. And I caught they earnestly believed in the Bible. And that's the key. They earnestly believe it. It's not a political slogan. It's not some fopped off belief. They think it's true. And so you have to engage them as if it's true. I engaged them as a Catholic (I'm not one, but it was a good footing in the moment). "Yes, I get your Bible, I believe differently, here is how I do, and why."

It's like going to battle on their own turf. You state your beliefs in terms that will make sense to them. If their foundation is the Bible, you wage your war using the Bible as your ally. They understand that, they get that, they respect that.

Going "Everything you believe is shit and you're brainwashed!" might be emotionally satisfying, but you've not convinced anyone to think. You've not opened minds. You've simply closed them to you pre-emptively.

It's best to take people as they are, as they come to you, and talk to them accordinly, as best you can.

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I'm ok, you're ok Owlet Jan 2012 #1
We should learn to "Agree to disagree, agreeably." SharonAnn Jan 2012 #51
I would have gone Matt Damon on them waddirum Jan 2012 #2
I did to a degree Prism Jan 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #3
Does it count Prism Jan 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #7
If it helps Prism Jan 2012 #8
I'm shocked. That's what they mean by: Mira Jan 2012 #33
you deserve a medal unionworks Jan 2012 #6
"We're different, and that's pretty ok!" Union Scribe Jan 2012 #9
Pretty cool... onpatrol98 Jan 2012 #10
They were polite, so I was polite Prism Jan 2012 #11
Good point... onpatrol98 Jan 2012 #12
Maybe it's just me SecularMotion Jan 2012 #14
They believed it in earnest Prism Jan 2012 #17
I have better things to do than engage misguided door-to-door jesus salesmen. SecularMotion Jan 2012 #18
I don't. Prism Jan 2012 #20
If you're so interested in changing minds with engagement why aren't you knocking on their door? SecularMotion Jan 2012 #22
What did you mean? LiberalAndProud Jan 2012 #29
I meant as far as their Biblical literalism Prism Jan 2012 #42
I agree their total lack of respect for others' views is what ThomThom Jan 2012 #36
I applaud you for your maturity but, when the mormon's came to my door justiceischeap Jan 2012 #13
I totally understand what you're saying Prism Jan 2012 #16
You are right. The extremes have colored my view. They think they are Christian but are in fact appleannie1 Jan 2012 #30
That shows real class! :) LiberalLoner Jan 2012 #15
Lovely, and praise for being polite. However, if that happens two or three times a year txwhitedove Jan 2012 #19
I was a little surprised Prism Jan 2012 #24
And never mention your own religious preference cause that just sparks a conversation. I'm polite txwhitedove Jan 2012 #26
Many reigions believe in trying to "witness" to convert others. When they come to my door.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #21
I suck Prism Jan 2012 #23
It's tough, but I've had a lot of experience. I can say no to Boy Scouts and Girl Scout cookies.. Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #25
It's sad that you felt the need to lie about your beliefs. surrealAmerican Jan 2012 #27
Good OP pecwae Jan 2012 #28
I need a shower now . NT obliviously Jan 2012 #31
If you have time to waste, that is great. Maybe fun for you. Saying "not Interested" would have.... Logical Jan 2012 #32
Former Catholic and atheist who goes to a small(50-60 members), Baptist church regularly here NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #34
People don't know the definition or understanding of Relativism. vaberella Jan 2012 #35
I always ask them to 'please leave'...they do..No problems.. Tikki Jan 2012 #37
Once or twice, of course you are correct. I've been approached and 'witnessed' to way too many Fuzz Jan 2012 #38
I don't see where you told them you are gay dickthegrouch Jan 2012 #39
Twenty minutes? Really? The only way I would/could give them 20 minutes.... Scuba Jan 2012 #40
Very nice Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #41
The problem is... now they'll be back. mainer Jan 2012 #43
I am usually civil to people at my door tabbycat31 Jan 2012 #49
The point where they always lose me noamnety Jan 2012 #44
AMEN! Duer 157099 Jan 2012 #54
My always say, "I don't talk about my beliefs with people who just show up at my door." And Brickbat Jan 2012 #45
I tried the tactic of claiming I was Catholic Major Nikon Jan 2012 #46
I disagree. Dash Riprock Jan 2012 #47
The town that I live in has an ordinance against this behavior Major Nikon Jan 2012 #48
Let me know if they come back. I had this happen when I was in Law School. A couple of Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #50
We used to get a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses when I was growing up RZM Jan 2012 #52
You are much nicer than I, I would have encouraged my boyfriend to engage in the conversation and I NotThisTime Jan 2012 #53
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