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Spitfire of ATJ

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40. They also don't tier the jobs the way they used to....

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:07 PM

Feb 2013

There was a time when you could work your way up. Start out at entry level and as your skills improved you would be given more responsibility and more pay.

Now they expect you to fill the shoes of someone they overworked until they couldn't do it anymore and there is no ladder to move up.

The only ladder is in management.

Lower management is where the main thing needed is ego and not giving a shit about the individual employees.

Middle management where the main skill is to deal with that bunch of egomaniacs who feel the need to compete with each other at being sycophants to upper management thinking that will score them your job.

Upper management who looks at the whole thing like the game that it is and only care about the next shareholder presentation where they intend to lie about how great things are. (These types are often known to have a folder in their office computer containing women having sex with dogs.)

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Minimum wage should be $21.72 per hour. [View all] kentuck Feb 2013 OP

but I am told only the ones at the top earn their money Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #1

GOP And American Business Does Not Think Workers Are Worth $20 An Hour TheMastersNemesis Feb 2013 #2

Why stop at $21.72? indie9197 Feb 2013 #3

Your point is? HangOnKids Feb 2013 #21

I think that would be too high as a federal rate. indie9197 Feb 2013 #44

Are you sure you're at the right place? n/t AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #23

minimum wage jobs aren't stressful? Cobalt Violet Feb 2013 #26

No, you miss his point. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2013 #29

? Javaman Feb 2013 #32

I was being facetious. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2013 #34

huh. Javaman Feb 2013 #35

Make it 50+ billion a year for doing nothing to create a product (CEO) rustydog Feb 2013 #38

That's an old right wing talking point Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #47

If look like dog shit and smell like dog shit is:-) Skink Feb 2013 #4

agree... dtom67 Feb 2013 #5

of course, 10.mill would be ok too dtom67 Feb 2013 #6

How much is a football team? liberalmike27 Feb 2013 #16

I don't agree with that... Blanks Feb 2013 #46

We can fix the upper limit through a well written inheritance tax. Unfortunately, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #51

And a hamburger should therefore be $15. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #7

By that reasoning the minimum wage should be $1 an hour leftstreet Feb 2013 #8

Maybe liberalmike27 Feb 2013 #17

You already do. That's how much a burger costs in West L.A., if you're not in McDonalds. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #11

You don't eat out much do you? MrSlayer Feb 2013 #14

no way..you paying way to much.. snooper2 Feb 2013 #42

I don't know, some of these burgers are ridiculously good. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #48

Two things Tien1985 Feb 2013 #27

A burger by itself is only $1 off the dollar menu at McDonald's Ter Feb 2013 #64

1952's prices called; they miss you n/t Scootaloo Feb 2013 #28

DURec leftstreet Feb 2013 #9

. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #10

K&R SunSeeker Feb 2013 #12

What will min. wage be when the robots take the rest of the jobs? ErikJ Feb 2013 #13

I'd settle for a living wage bhikkhu Feb 2013 #15

That should be the standard. AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #24

but, but, but...... the far-right says if we do this it will lead to mass inflation davidn3600 Feb 2013 #18

The average worker today is also expected to do the work of three people... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #19

That was the common complaint where I used to work. AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #25

They also don't tier the jobs the way they used to.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #40

Business management itself is a lost art and skill as far as I know. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #54

There's an old joke about the hiring of an accountant.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #55

And in the late 60s.... ReRe Feb 2013 #20

Sounds about right. If we don't seriously reassess what it means to work and a Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #22

A Big Reason For A National Jobs Program... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #30

Did anyone get a look at Eric Cantor's samplegirl Feb 2013 #31

Democrats can ProSense Feb 2013 #33

YES - and college should be free n/t Mira Feb 2013 #36

It should but I think many would be surprised at where the rate would land you TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #37

I like this article. CrispyQ Feb 2013 #39

Sure, raise it, but the minimum wage is so 20th century. It's time to start talking basic income. reformist2 Feb 2013 #41

I'd give up some of it, and accept, say $14/hr in exchange for a four-day workweek... Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #43

Assuming an 8 hour day, that's a gross annual of $23K, take home maybe $17.5K. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #50

good point...i didn't properly crunch the numbers Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #59

Reducing the number of hours considered full-time is important to moving Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #60

How do we prevent price increases, job cuts, or extreme outsourcing? pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #45

Where have you been for the last 20 years? n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #52

Why do you think I chose a career based on people pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #62

Huh? Wouldn't more money in peoples pockets mean more goods sold meaning lower prices JaneyVee Feb 2013 #53

It wouldn't work that way pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #61

The problem with your example mythology Feb 2013 #65

I kept it simple pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #66

Call it a living wage. Increase it to $35/hour. Hard Assets Feb 2013 #49

I made $8/hour as a Secretary in Manhattan in 1971 HockeyMom Feb 2013 #56

GREAT article! K and R senseandsensibility Feb 2013 #57

It all comes down to whether you think people working full time deserve to be able to live Bonobo Feb 2013 #58

Here's to dreaming! Quantess Feb 2013 #63