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109. I was either Juror #2 or #3:

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Feb 2013

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"pussies" is sexist language that should not be allowed at DU. Please hide; we may have debates about certain words here but I think this one should be pretty clear cut.

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You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:07 PM, and the Jury voted 5-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Broad brushing any religious organization is also unacceptable.

Also, agree with the alerter. 'Pussies' is just a dumbass thing to call anything but a cat.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: The entire post is peppered with bigotry.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This one was tough. I resorted to checking the Community standards before I opted to vote to Leave It Alone. "Should not be allowed," is different than "Shall not be allowed." If the admins wish to ban sexist language, I hope they will update the community standards to remove any doubt.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: I'm reluctant to hide (because truth is a defense, to some extent) but the language does need some cleanup. Poster is relatively new and may be unaware of DU's norms.

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So there you have my position on the matter.

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When the word 'pussy' is used an insult, do you perceive it as sexist? [View all] redqueen Feb 2013 OP

Yes. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #1

double entendre (pussy) arely staircase Feb 2013 #210

Too funny! And vulgar. MissMarple Feb 2013 #257

you bet. cali Feb 2013 #2

Yep. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #3

Yes n/t demmiblue Feb 2013 #4

Yes. Its use implies that women are weak and wimpy. yardwork Feb 2013 #5

of course...the person who says it, intends it to be an insult Fresh_Start Feb 2013 #6

It's getting harder and harder to be offensive and politcally correct these days. joeunderdog Feb 2013 #211

Ain't dat da troot! Petrushka Feb 2013 #277

Of course. It refers to the feminine, and nothing is worse than that in macholand. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #7

feminine is an adjective - eom arely staircase Feb 2013 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #8

This is NOT about me, or my hapoiness. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #33

oh boy. bunnies Feb 2013 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #42

Believe me... bunnies Feb 2013 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #71

lol bunnies Feb 2013 #75

I believe that should be "pants crap fever". 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #87

! bunnies Feb 2013 #95

So he's like a woman, eh? Because he like a woman, eh? Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #143

Cats are weak????!!!!! yardwork Feb 2013 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #160

So could mine. yardwork Feb 2013 #161

n/s JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #307

Yeah right. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #173

This whole OP was flame bait trolling. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #224

Devil....it may not offend you, but it IS what's called a vulgarism, in one sense, per Merriam... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #251

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #253

As I said, it may not offend YOU, but you are not alone in the world. This is not devilgrrl island. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #259

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #260

Hey, I'm not the one being inconsiderate of others who find a term really vulgar & offensive. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #261

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #263

Nope. You attacked me, when I merely cut and pasted the definition of a word. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #268

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #270

Doesn't offend me either. What does offend me are women being droned to death sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #311

This thread is for the purpose of *****A-T-T-E-N-T-I-O-N*****!!!1!!! pacalo Feb 2013 #317

It's also what a lot of gay kids are bullied with. donheld Feb 2013 #278

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Don't worry about me... redqueen Feb 2013 #44

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Results of your Jury Service RC Feb 2013 #65

It's really lame when someone alerts a post like this DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #91

I can understand it, though... redqueen Feb 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #121

I see your point, if I don't necessarily agree with it. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #127

Thanks... apparently the target of the alert has a fan club (I certainly sympathize) redqueen Feb 2013 #135

or, it could be, as much as we LOVE devil, lol, seabeyond Feb 2013 #147

Oh well, you win some & you lose some. pacalo Feb 2013 #318

The whole point of the OP was to get people to use the word "pussy" in a way they didn't like cleanhippie Feb 2013 #226

bullshit. it was because someone used it and it didnt get hidden. and the same old seabeyond Feb 2013 #230

Yawn. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #232

what about your fabricated outrage. oh really, lets make up a story and insist it is fact seabeyond Feb 2013 #233

What are you on about now? Isn't there someone somwhere on DU using a word you don't like? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #236

gettin' snotty? nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #237

Panties in a twist? That's SOME hypocrisy you have there. Couple that with never-ending outrage cleanhippie Feb 2013 #238

people get away with that always. i figured you would alert and whine about a personal attack again seabeyond Feb 2013 #240

Bwahahaha! You seem scared of what you posted so you changed it. There is a word some people use cleanhippie Feb 2013 #243

this would be merely another example of fabricated accusations for your agenda. outraged? prove it seabeyond Feb 2013 #245

Your incessant outrage is obvious to even the most casual observer. But whatever works for you. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #255

ya, that. and you get the last word. seabeyond Feb 2013 #258

ha ha datasuspect Feb 2013 #302

No, discussion of misogynist slurs is not a conspiracy against people who use them. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #287

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #128

i like you. seabeyond Feb 2013 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #136

That sounds entirely reasonable to me. redqueen Feb 2013 #139

I love you! JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #308

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #309

i really think some people post stuff just to get other people to post arely staircase Feb 2013 #192

You know they do. RC Feb 2013 #208

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #209

That is EXACTLY the point of this OP. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #227

Yes, it isn't the fault of the person posting offensive shit, redqueen Feb 2013 #292

my 5 yr old niece? my 50 yr old alcoholic brother? oh, wait.... rapist and rapist seabeyond Feb 2013 #293

All good examples, but I was thinking of that comment about abused women, redqueen Feb 2013 #298

oh, gosh yes. isnt that always the one. seabeyond Feb 2013 #299

nice try arely staircase Feb 2013 #312

I didn't try, I succeeded in interpreting your post. redqueen Feb 2013 #313

please proceed, redqueen arely staircase Feb 2013 #314

Proceed to do what? Post tired internet memes redqueen Feb 2013 #315

You have never met a brave or courageous woman? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #185

So we should use Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #189

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #191

Only you would think so. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #195

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ego, maybe ? arely staircase Feb 2013 #214

Use "wimp" or "wuss" or just plain "coward." Warpy Feb 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #137

i was told not wuss, that it is a combo of the two words.... i didnt know. seabeyond Feb 2013 #148

Oh, I think the post above yours says it best Warpy Feb 2013 #154

i like spineless asshole! (when you're being less political) bettyellen Feb 2013 #246

You know, in the interest of further muddying the waters... Orrex Feb 2013 #274

Yes, sexist and against community standards IMHO. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #9

In spite of the modern interpretation, its etymology may have nothing to do w/genitals: LeftinOH Feb 2013 #10

Sciences not allowed!!11!!! Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #284

Yes, but... JaneyVee Feb 2013 #11

I can't stop laughing at this bigtree Feb 2013 #19

nope. nt RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #12

Yes, and same as that Beaver Ad HockeyMom Feb 2013 #13

The HS mascot in the town I grew up in is a freaking beaver! Imagine being a teen girl yelling Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #56

Guess ya don't know about the Gamecocks? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #166

I do now! Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #267

University of South Carolina. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #295

No DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 #14

I no longer donate, so I can't. If someone else wants to do a poll, I'll delete this. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #25

Message auto-removed hotcheese Feb 2013 #15

ooh, seek help bigtree Feb 2013 #23

Feminists are well used to such vitriol. redqueen Feb 2013 #61

Nope, but out of respect for those that do... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #16

Same here. n/t FSogol Feb 2013 #21

yeah me too d_r Feb 2013 #32

I want to hug this whole subthread for having consideration for their community bettyellen Feb 2013 #244

is it being used as a noun or adjective? snooper2 Feb 2013 #17

Nope. It's a diminutive of pusillanimous. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #20

Nope. That's not the etymology according to any valid source Check the OED for example. Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #242

Of course. The inference is femininity as a perjorative Melinda Feb 2013 #22

Yep. It is sad. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #27

No NV Whino Feb 2013 #24

Yes idwiyo Feb 2013 #26

no, because it is light-hearted Enrique Feb 2013 #28

IMO having femaleness associated with weakness and cowardice is not lighthearted. redqueen Feb 2013 #36

Is really worse than having maleness equated with arrogance and being unlikable SpartanDem Feb 2013 #55

I was thinking about that earlier Orrex Feb 2013 #92

Yes, good insights and well stated... redqueen Feb 2013 #93

Happy to chime in! Orrex Feb 2013 #110

agreed. good point and thank you for saying this clearly. seabeyond Feb 2013 #94

You caught me in a moment of lucidity Orrex Feb 2013 #111

ya... but, have you placed me on ignore? you are psychic. you can reply perfectly seabeyond Feb 2013 #114

Hey, who said that? Orrex Feb 2013 #273

Are you a man by any chance? n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #49

Of course it is. nt sufrommich Feb 2013 #29

Absolutely wryter2000 Feb 2013 #30

I do - nt Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #31

Sure. It's not like they are talking about a cat. nt Nay Feb 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Lint Head Feb 2013 #35

it is sexist, it is not a question of my perception. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #37

I would of course agree... redqueen Feb 2013 #48

Yes. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #38

No CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #39

Yes! retread Feb 2013 #41

yes. obviously. purposely. duh... lol, nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #43

No, I find it insulting to cats though. Cleita Feb 2013 #46

It is in that context Taverner Feb 2013 #47

I agree re: slang for vulva. redqueen Feb 2013 #52

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #78

No. It's a legitimate Golf term. OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2013 #50

Yes. gollygee Feb 2013 #51

No more than when the word dick is used as an insult. phleshdef Feb 2013 #53

I guess you could see it that way Drale Feb 2013 #54

I don't hear the word used to refer to cats. redqueen Feb 2013 #57

Because the original use for the word "pussy" referred to cats Drale Feb 2013 #62

The only people I've ever known who used that word for cats gollygee Feb 2013 #66

yes! my old Irish aunties used to holler POO see, POOO se, POO see because they grew up on a farm bettyellen Feb 2013 #241

Better to use "pusillanimous" -- gets the point across better but with an alliterative catch. . . Journeyman Feb 2013 #58

Yes Aerows Feb 2013 #59

Yes. nt hack89 Feb 2013 #60

No. The word has been used for so long and so casually, it now exists on its own, IMO. randome Feb 2013 #63

Of course. This is always an interesting topic n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #64

No. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #67

spider... good point. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #79

Thank you! redqueen Feb 2013 #83

Yeah. It's an annoying part of our super-machismo culture. Dash87 Feb 2013 #69

Yes. It should NEVER be used here. I will go ballistic if I see it. DevonRex Feb 2013 #70

of course TorchTheWitch Feb 2013 #72

I always figured it to be in reference meanit Feb 2013 #73

Yes. It is a sexist insult, IMO. War Horse Feb 2013 #74

Nope Soundman Feb 2013 #76

Absolutely. n/t DonViejo Feb 2013 #77

My first reaction is it is homophobic... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #80

If you can't figure that out on your own, procon Feb 2013 #81

yup. redq is like the HUGEST sexist on du, for all times. we try.... seabeyond Feb 2013 #82

Yes! LiberalLoner Feb 2013 #84

Yes. (And it's a 'Hide' in the DU jury context for me...) nt petronius Feb 2013 #85

There is no other way TO perceive it. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #86

No. Not until I saw this thread. protect our future Feb 2013 #88

What?! You actually thought a man using this term for another man was referring to a CAT? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #96

No, of course not. I've always used the protect our future Feb 2013 #113

Sexist and homophobic Marrah_G Feb 2013 #89

Yes. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #90

YES! MuseRider Feb 2013 #97

Mooserider! lonestarnot Feb 2013 #271

WOW! Hi there! MuseRider Feb 2013 #288

Absolutely yes. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #98

Yes. I prefer the non-sexist "asshole". dairydog91 Feb 2013 #100

It is sexist. So is calling someone a dick. el_bryanto Feb 2013 #101

Exactly. The power differential and lack of institutional and social oppression redqueen Feb 2013 #102

and yet they are both insults to men arely staircase Feb 2013 #219

Not really, but I'm a dick. N/T galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #103

yes. n/t Whisp Feb 2013 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #105

It's sexist, lame, and also decidedly unimaginative. There are far better insults one can use, like Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #106

How about 'pompous, ignorant, self-important, shit-stirring bucket of filth'? redqueen Feb 2013 #116

Yes, yes! Or "soul-sucking vortex of depressing, monotonous boring negativity, putrid essence Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #142

Absolutely. Apophis Feb 2013 #107

Insults are supposed to be Insulting. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #108

so cause you really really want to insult be homophobic or sexist. hmmm, nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #115

Well, yes. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #196

I was either Juror #2 or #3: apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #109

juror 5... if adminstration would only add it to tos. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #118

+1. I agree. n/t. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #165

No more than when someone is called a "dick" - lynne Feb 2013 #112

Both are perfectly viable insults without being sexist. Swamp Lover Feb 2013 #145

and then one can get their post hidden. seabeyond Feb 2013 #150

No. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #117

Shocking. redqueen Feb 2013 #119

lol lol. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #120

ya. da. polly7 Feb 2013 #124

If you were only wanting one answer, why did you pose it as a question? polly7 Feb 2013 #123

Using the word "pussy" as a derogatory term sufrommich Feb 2013 #131

See, there ya go. That's just what I was thinking of. polly7 Feb 2013 #140

or sorta holding onto an over year long grudge which makes it petty. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #152

I am?? polly7 Feb 2013 #157

I did not mean to insult you. redqueen Feb 2013 #167

Gotta give you this... pacalo Feb 2013 #316

Context redqueen Feb 2013 #156

You were asked not to use it. polly7 Feb 2013 #164

No. Because I'm clearly not "defending" the word. redqueen Feb 2013 #169

'Feign outrage over it'. polly7 Feb 2013 #172

Apologizing to people who defend some of the most commonly used misogynist slurs? redqueen Feb 2013 #174

What slurs do I use? polly7 Feb 2013 #175

Where did I say you used any? redqueen Feb 2013 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Feb 2013 #186

"Relationships"? Men joking about how they'd like to fuck Sarah Palin, except for redqueen Feb 2013 #199

Well, here's where we'll never agree. polly7 Feb 2013 #206

It's not any more of an insult to ask people to stop using it here sufrommich Feb 2013 #182

You'll never see me using one of those terms or defend them. polly7 Feb 2013 #194

Nope, but if someone calls me a vagina we're fightin'. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #122

yes, of course it is. n/t Scout Feb 2013 #125

Yes loyalsister Feb 2013 #126

except the male terms are their own body parts they love and dicks have always held the power seabeyond Feb 2013 #158

I guess I don't get the vigorous qazplm Feb 2013 #213

i do not think i have EVER used either of the terms either on du or real life. seems like more a man seabeyond Feb 2013 #217

I agree about that cultural aspect loyalsister Feb 2013 #216

Yes, it's meant as a sexist insult Warpy Feb 2013 #129

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #130

Yes. n/t Small Accumulates Feb 2013 #134

Yes. It translates to, "you're weak, like someone with a vagina." It's sexist and obnoxious. Squinch Feb 2013 #138

Is it sexist if you use it... one_voice Feb 2013 #144

I looked up how the word came to mean a weakling OKNancy Feb 2013 #146

No but PETA gets ticked off! whistler162 Feb 2013 #149

i didn't used but have learned better since and do believe that now. TeamPooka Feb 2013 #153

Thanks. And despite the lack of a power imbalance or institutionalized or social oppression against redqueen Feb 2013 #171

I always think of it that way. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #155

Me? No. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #159

Quite. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #162

Yes ! In_The_Wind Feb 2013 #163

Yes, to the same extent calling someone a "dick" is sexist. GodlessBiker Feb 2013 #170

I agree that we shouldn't use either... redqueen Feb 2013 #183

I don't. It's just part of modern slang. Like d*uche or d*ck LittleBlue Feb 2013 #176

No. It's become so commonplace I think it lost all sexist connotation. I'm a woman, for the record gateley Feb 2013 #177

I don't use it in general speech, so I don't use it here. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #178

I really don't see how it could possibly not be taken as sexist...and it lowers my opinion Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #180

does the same for me, and i agree iwth your post. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #184

so if one calls ted nugent a pussy arely staircase Feb 2013 #197

Thery're both words that I choose not to use...One is racist, the other sexist and homophobic Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #222

Well said, I wish I could give that post a rec Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #225

It really doesn't take much effort to be insulting as hell and still not use those few words.... Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #231

one is racist but the homophobic nature of the other is debatable arely staircase Feb 2013 #228

Its a matter of opinion, I'll admit. I've perceived it as homophobic since the first time Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #235

our history probably isn't as different as you assume arely staircase Feb 2013 #248

Actually, its probably more a generational thing. I was in middle school in 1969 Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #262

many sexist slurs against women are also used against gay men to imply they're feminine... and not bettyellen Feb 2013 #249

such as? arely staircase Feb 2013 #250

no, otherwise i wouldn't use it. arely staircase Feb 2013 #187

yes BainsBane Feb 2013 #188

Yes Solly Mack Feb 2013 #190

not really. Algebra Palin Feb 2013 #193

Yes. nt Sienna86 Feb 2013 #198

YES nt s-cubed Feb 2013 #200

Yes, but I don't think that is always the intent. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #202

Doesn't bother me but I won't use it out of respect for those it does bother. tblue Feb 2013 #203

Yes. myrna minx Feb 2013 #204

Mrs Slocombe said it all the time. edbermac Feb 2013 #205

When I was younger I used the word myself now that I'm older yes its the epitome of sexiest... trublu992 Feb 2013 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Feb 2013 #212

It can be. Depends on context. Xithras Feb 2013 #218

Well, let's try the ol' "reverse the situation" test on it.... Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #220

very good, valid and logical response. hadnt even thought of it like that but a clear reason it is seabeyond Feb 2013 #229

No I don't n/t quinnox Feb 2013 #221

yep. bettyellen Feb 2013 #223

No. I perceive it as vulgar. nt rrneck Feb 2013 #234

Sexist always. n/t Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #239

Generally not. bluedigger Feb 2013 #247

When the word "dick" or "dickhead" is used as an insult, do you perceive THAT as sexist too? RBInMaine Feb 2013 #252

Yes. ChazII Feb 2013 #254

No. I consider the source. tavernier Feb 2013 #256

I do too. forestpath Feb 2013 #264

No, but I'm English... jannyk Feb 2013 #265

Umm, it is an insult, it is meant to be offending, MadHound Feb 2013 #266

I don't view the word any more or any less sexist Gemini Cat Feb 2013 #269

no smackd Feb 2013 #272

No. Nor do I concide calling someone easttexaslefty Feb 2013 #275

Hmmm. Is a gendered insult that implies inferiority sexist? EDIT Deep13 Feb 2013 #276

Incredible, isn't it? When the TOS was watered down, it set the stage for things to get worse. redqueen Feb 2013 #286

on top of that, since tos does not say no sexism, sexism is allowed. and there you go. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #289

Yep. And there went my star. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #291

Right, because as we all know "bigotry...based on gender.." doesn't mean sexism Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #300

seems to be the thing lately. i have seen a couple men say it and a couple on jury. seabeyond Feb 2013 #303

Seems to be a lot of spurious defenses of word usage lately. Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #304

yes. it really is. there is still tweaking going on. so, i still have hope. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #305

context sigmasix Feb 2013 #279

Only a real 'dickhead' would even pose that question Zambero Feb 2013 #280

Who cares? lbrtbell Feb 2013 #282

Of course. Every time it is used to insult an individual, it also insults every woman, everywhere. Zorra Feb 2013 #283

Yes. wildeyed Feb 2013 #285

it does not bother me either. but, i get that it is sexist. i get that it is used to denigrate seabeyond Feb 2013 #290

True, plus I believe in common courtesy. wildeyed Feb 2013 #297

Yes. n/t Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #294

Yes. No shades of gray on this one. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #296

Yes and any of the variations alarimer Feb 2013 #301

Sexist ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #306

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #310