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bhikkhu

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75. There's some numbers here:

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:08 PM

Feb 2013

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/02/local/la-me-lapd-shootings-assaults-20120702

and then a bunch more here: http://patterico.com/wp/wp-content/images/lapd-data-final.pdf

The average number of officer-involved "suspect fatalities" is 13 per year (if I'm reading the statistics right), or about .0013% per officer per year. I don't know how that compares to anywhere else.

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So, Dorner's Only Means to Expose LAPD Corruption Was To Kill People? [View all] Yavin4 Feb 2013 OP

He waited two weeks to make his allegations. randome Feb 2013 #1

I doubt many people would agree that Dorner acted in an intelligent sensible way, however. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #2

Major under statement: "Because Dorner did not use a good method for exposing the LAPD" Yavin4 Feb 2013 #5

Killing people destroys your (Dorner's) credibility, not the credibility of the message. DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #44

well said. robinlynne Feb 2013 #53

People don't work that way. randome Feb 2013 #54

Agree. And not just w/insane people. Anybody who screws up once is forever branded gateley Feb 2013 #76

k&r Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #3

Dorner is not different from any other disgruntled ex employ that goes in and shoots up his former Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #4

+1 BainsBane Feb 2013 #50

Is there a goddamn straw man FACTORY in town? nt sibelian Feb 2013 #6

Because you cannot form a logical rebuttal to my post... Yavin4 Feb 2013 #7

"an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position" sibelian Feb 2013 #73

I Didn't Misreprsent The Dorner Supporters' Position Yavin4 Feb 2013 #74

He only wanted to make a name for himself KingFlorez Feb 2013 #8

Oh, his name will be remembered all right. randome Feb 2013 #55

How many people has LAPD killed? Downwinder Feb 2013 #9

He Was a LAPD cop for 3 Years Yavin4 Feb 2013 #10

Obviously. Downwinder Feb 2013 #11

Maybe he was the product of Navy culture. bayareamike Feb 2013 #29

That could well be. Downwinder Feb 2013 #30

Or, it could just be that this was a guy bayareamike Feb 2013 #31

Dr. Frist? HangOnKids Feb 2013 #32

At least mine is speculation bayareamike Feb 2013 #33

Just spewed coffee on the monitor HangOnKids Feb 2013 #36

So, do you want to actually discuss anything bayareamike Feb 2013 #38

Careful Mikey HangOnKids Feb 2013 #39

LOL. Mikey? Nothing like being condescending. We're done here. nt bayareamike Feb 2013 #40

Good. Bye Bye HangOnKids Feb 2013 #41

No welcome to ignore? BainsBane Feb 2013 #52

LAPD's hiring process should have filtered that out. Downwinder Feb 2013 #35

Agreed. nt bayareamike Feb 2013 #37

and look at the army's current hiring practices..... robinlynne Feb 2013 #57

I think Dorner was the product of a lot of other cultures before he got to LAPD. haele Feb 2013 #14

agreed onenote Feb 2013 #49

I don't know how many people the LAPD has killed onenote Feb 2013 #16

I don't know, but when they shoot up newspaper ladies Downwinder Feb 2013 #21

Well, the LAPD has 10,000 police officers and you don't know how many have ever shot anyone onenote Feb 2013 #22

That is why I asked. Downwinder Feb 2013 #23

There's some numbers here: bhikkhu Feb 2013 #75

Thanks. I'll have to study this a bit. Downwinder Feb 2013 #77

if you live in LA you hear about LAPD shootings pretty regularly. It is not at all uncommon. robinlynne Feb 2013 #59

It happens on a pretty regular basis here. robinlynne Feb 2013 #58

Well, the national conversation now includes LAPD corruption Fumesucker Feb 2013 #12

how does that effect LAPD behavior? BainsBane Feb 2013 #62

LAPD is only the tip of the iceberg, police nationwide are becoming more and more militarized Fumesucker Feb 2013 #67

no kidding BainsBane Feb 2013 #68

No corrupt organization is going to enjoy that national spotlight being shined on it Fumesucker Feb 2013 #69

because of a mass murderer BainsBane Feb 2013 #70

Oderint dum metuant, let them hate so long as they fear Fumesucker Feb 2013 #72

You know there are two other officers nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #13

I don't think so. I think that he just wanted to do both at the same time MrScorpio Feb 2013 #15

You're supposed to love Dorner for murdering US citizens here for no reasons and DevonRex Feb 2013 #17

Yeah, wonder where the right gets their propaganda spin to convince the middle that CAG Feb 2013 #56

who loves Dorner? robinlynne Feb 2013 #60

Nobody has said that it was the only means to expose the LAPD mokawanis Feb 2013 #18

Why? It's as good as a straw-man as any. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #46

He killed because he went off the deep end, morally and psychologically. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #19

Yet another Dr. Frist HangOnKids Feb 2013 #34

No sane person would shoot someone's kid thinking it would advance a cause for justice. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #42

You'd think that is the first thing people would realize. dkf Feb 2013 #65

I wonder if I posted that Baruch Goldstein was lynched what the reaction would be. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #66

Dorner didn't expose ANYTHING that people in Southern California didn't already know. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #20

People in NoCal know LAPD is crooked and dangerous REP Feb 2013 #24

I should have said everyone in California who's paid attention in the last 21 years knows... n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #26

Yep. There was even a very popular TV show about on LAPD corruption Yavin4 Feb 2013 #28

Or, So, Dorner's Only Means to Expose LAPD Corruption Was To Get Killed? Coyotl Feb 2013 #25

His methods were unsound slackmaster Feb 2013 #27

Do you have to be a Dorner fanboy to be allowed to criticize the LAPD? n/t backscatter712 Feb 2013 #43

According to DU's new nannies, yes. I, OTOH, think he was a dangerous person who kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #45

Yep. How dare we show nuance instead of picking sides! backscatter712 Feb 2013 #47

you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette datasuspect Feb 2013 #48

who says he did it to expose the LAPD? Dorner didn't say that. He said "I didn't lie." robinlynne Feb 2013 #51

If anyone thinks his manifesto is the thinking of some one sane.... Historic NY Feb 2013 #61

Dorner is much worse than Allen West. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #63

There was a book written about why the nazis did what they did. robinlynne Feb 2013 #64

No - it wasn't Taverner Feb 2013 #71

Who said it was? Dorner is dead, you'll have to call a soothsayer to have this out with him TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #78