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BrentWil

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Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:02 PM Jan 2012

How Likely is a War with Iran if President Obama is Re-elected? [View all]

On other threads I have been beaten up because I suggest that war with Iran is a possibility, whoever is elected President. I have made this suggestion not because I want war, but because I am looking at statements from the Defense Secretary and from President Obama. On 60 minutes, Secretary Panetta made statements that go well over the normal diplomatic speak for, "we really don't like this"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57345322/panetta-iran-will-not-be-allowed-nukes/

Pelley: If the Israelis decide to launch a military strike to prevent that weapon from being built, what sort of complications does that raise for you?

Panetta: Well, we share the same common concern. The United States does not want Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. That's a red line for us and that's a red line, obviously, for the Israelis. If we have to do it we will deal with it.

Pelley: You just said if we have to do it we will come and do it. What is it?

Panetta: If they proceed and we get intelligence that they are proceeding with developing a nuclear weapon then we will take whatever steps necessary to stop it.

Pelley: Including military steps?

Panetta: There are no options off the table

Pelley: A nuclear weapon in Iran is...

Panetta: Unacceptable.


THis is followed by the President's State of the Union, which had some reasonable strong wording.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/01/24/remarks-president-state-union-address

And we will safeguard America’s own security against those who threaten our citizens, our friends, and our interests. Look at Iran. Through the power of our diplomacy, a world that was once divided about how to deal with Iran’s nuclear program now stands as one. The regime is more isolated than ever before; its leaders are faced with crippling sanctions, and as long as they shirk their responsibilities, this pressure will not relent.

Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal.
(Applause.)

But a peaceful resolution of this issue is still possible, and far better, and if Iran changes course and meets its obligations, it can rejoin the community of nations.


When put together, this tells me that the Administration really is looking at all options for Iran and that war isn't an impossibility, if the President is re-elected. The other element is that Sunni Arab countries in the region would really like to keep Iran from getting the bomb. They would be the most likely partners in this, I would think.


If I had to put a number on it, I would say that we have between a 10 and 20 percent chance of war with Iran under a second term with President Obama.

Let me be clear, I think this is far better then the GOP entering the White House. Iran is a serious security problem and I trust the President to handle it and I think he will handle it by bring together allies and regional friends to deal with the problem . However, I would suggest that war is still a possibility with Iran, even with the re-election of the President.

Stating that fact doesn't mean that I love war. It means I am trying to describe the World as it is, not as I want it to be.
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Hopefully it is much less likely. Kalidurga Jan 2012 #1
That's not correct RZM Jan 2012 #6
I am not sure the Israelis have the ability to accomplish the objective BrentWil Jan 2012 #11
Hmm. Maybe. RZM Jan 2012 #13
We can't and won't do anything with Israel on this besides let them do it alone BrentWil Jan 2012 #15
Very, very low RZM Jan 2012 #2
Pretty close to zero unless Iran does something really fucking stupid. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #3
Or, unless Israel does something really fucking stupid. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #7
Sunni Arab states are the ones that will also have a problem with this. NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #16
Both are reliant on U.S. support and would draw us into the conflict. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #21
We're already "in it" - the shrub destabilized the region by invading Iraq. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #29
Certainly... the most pressing concern of any leader is to keep power BrentWil Jan 2012 #31
I suspect they already have some and that other countries (like ours) already know it. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #37
I am a little more hopeful BrentWil Jan 2012 #39
I'm more concerned with the devices than individual people. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #45
Stupid as in.. Hawkowl Jan 2012 #41
I was thinking more along the lines of firing on one of the two carriers we have in the region. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #46
Less likely than if a repug were elected, elleng Jan 2012 #4
I would agree with that... NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #9
Guessing they will impose sanctions for 5 to 10 years first to soften the target before invading. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #5
'Soften the target'. You mean 'kill a few hundred thousand innocent children for not good reason'. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #17
well said limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #22
I think you have a rather unrealistic view of how our system works BrentWil Jan 2012 #25
It's not conspiratorial cpwm17 Jan 2012 #32
They certainly have influence BrentWil Jan 2012 #34
Your argument holds no water Hawkowl Jan 2012 #43
The Iraq war was the product BrentWil Jan 2012 #60
MIC Put those people in power Hawkowl Jan 2012 #70
It was a part of it.. BrentWil Jan 2012 #73
Do I? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #50
Yeah, totally... BrentWil Jan 2012 #52
+ a brazillion. nt raouldukelives Jan 2012 #26
The Middle East is too unstable for sanctions to last even more than two years, the Iranian... joshcryer Jan 2012 #63
Iran will have to throw the first punch. Rex Jan 2012 #8
Or "Iran" will have to throw the first punch. stillwaiting Jan 2012 #23
Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #10
I disagree with how you make meaning of those statements... BrentWil Jan 2012 #19
Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #24
Is a weatherman who is tracking a Hurricane wishing for death and destruction? BrentWil Jan 2012 #27
No ProSense Jan 2012 #28
A hurricane could follow a path that could keep it off shore... BrentWil Jan 2012 #30
You ProSense Jan 2012 #33
Again, you have to think what you want BrentWil Jan 2012 #36
It's not really up to President Obama, it's up to the Israelis Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #12
Actually, it is more up to the Sunni Arab states, IMO BrentWil Jan 2012 #14
It's more likely that that Israelis will launch a strike than the Arabs, IMO Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #18
I doubt that. BrentWil Jan 2012 #20
The Arab Spring started in Iran. It's up to the Iranians. joshcryer Jan 2012 #64
Obama 12% Republican 30% cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #35
i'd say, it's more like at least 30% Obama to 40%+ Republican inna Jan 2012 #44
LOL, war with Iran is always 6 months away, and will be 6 months from now. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #38
If it happens, the real pull would be after this cycle or after 2014.. BrentWil Jan 2012 #40
and i'm sick of people being willfully ignorant, blind and oblivious of a definite possibility inna Jan 2012 #42
Not my fault that people keep crying wolf. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #47
Banging the drums isn't exactly the same as crying wolf and neither is the response TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #59
A flull-blown action? I think those chances are slim to none, but... MerryBlooms Jan 2012 #48
I trust the president more than any of the repugs bhikkhu Jan 2012 #49
Fullscale war with Iran's been days away for ten years now around here. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #51
Pretty much. DU People used to tell me Kerry would invade Iran and bring back the draft. emulatorloo Jan 2012 #53
Between the Chimp & Obama admins, nothing has changed in regard to Iran policy got root Jan 2012 #54
It is zip. In 1976, Ford ran on a stealth campaign of "Carter will take us to war because Dems McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #55
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the GOP would be a better choice to keep us out of Iran NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #56
Silly me. I thought that was the whole point here. McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #57
Actually, it isn't. But if reading things into it makes you feel better, so be it NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #58
What people aren't considering here is the effect of the Arab Spring on the Middle East. joshcryer Jan 2012 #62
Well, it wouldn't be a "Arab" spring.. BrentWil Jan 2012 #65
You're much more favorable than me, I put it at closer to 40%. A Republican? 100%. joshcryer Jan 2012 #61
Iran is on the brink of its own volition JCMach1 Jan 2012 #66
Maybe... BrentWil Jan 2012 #68
Exactly. joshcryer Jan 2012 #69
Pres Obama 75%. Gingrich 100%. Ron Paul 15%. Prometheus Bound Jan 2012 #67
Likely. But the possibility of an Iran confrontation with a Republican is also likely. BlueIris Jan 2012 #71
Depends largely on what Iran does Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #72
Ahmandinajad doesn't run the country and has very little power within the country NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #74
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