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37. All planned well in advance. The Patriot Act was written long before presented like ALEC bills...

Reply to OldDem2012 (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:19 PM

Feb 2013

I've seen this upclose. Get the media to put out a story with emotional affect to sell a 'product' to the public to generate consent for a contract. Generally the public doesn't know about these bills written up for corporate interests at all. The bills are usually to sell off a piece of the Commons to corporate groups and NGO or non-profits they use as advance front groups. In this case, it was the American people being sold off.

As Bush said in August 2001 about the time to introduce 'a new product line.' Yes, the Iraq war was a 'product' brought to you by the MIC, or more correctly in this case, minus the C = Congressional part of this equation. They thought it was time to enjoy 'the peace dividend' and 'make use of the Clinton surplus.' No way in hell those Bush boys were going to let that happen.

Thanks for remembering and posting those links.

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