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lindysalsagal

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Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:48 PM Feb 2013

Pope resignation timing explanation: Thank you, Rhode Island judge. Papal papers unsealed friday. [View all]

Juries: This falls under current events. There's no church bashing in here, only released documents. It explains the unprecedented papal resignation timing. This is major world news affecting millions of people world-wide.
Source: Wall St. Journal

PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Documents released Friday shed light on the inner workings of a secretive and now-disgraced Roman Catholic order called the Legion of Christ, including new details on how the organization solicited money from an elderly widow, eventually persuading her to bequeath it $60 million.

The documents, previously sealed in a lawsuit brought before Superior Court in Rhode Island, include thousands of pages of testimony from high-ranking leaders at the Legion, its members and relatives of wealthy widow Gabrielle Mee. They are the first-ever depositions of high-ranking Legion officials and include how the order's former second-in-command learned in 2006 that its founder had fathered a child.
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A Rhode Island Superior Court judge said last year that the documents raised a red flag because Mee, a steadfastly spiritual elderly woman, transferred millions to "clandestinely dubious religious leaders." But they had been kept under seal until The Associated Press, The New York Times, the National Catholic Reporter and The Providence Journal intervened, arguing that they were in the public interest. The Legion had argued media coverage of the documents could taint prospective jurors if there was a trial.

The Legion scandal is significant because it shows how the Holy See willfully ignored credible allegations of abuse against Maciel for decades while holding him up as a model of sainthood for the faithful because he brought in money and vocations to the priesthood. The scandal, which has tarnished the legacy of Pope John Paul II, is cited as an especially egregious example of how the Vatican ignored decades of reports about sexually abusive priests because church leaders put the interests of the institution above those of the victims.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/APe7fcd05a02314769aa1cc0021e2eb645.html

My opinion:

The only reason this is being released is that a niece of the bilked woman (30-60 million dollars) is suing, claiming that the bank was too close to the fund raising Papal group ("Legion of Christ&quot , and used their inside knowledge to defraud the woman. The niece claims that the donor was a truly devout woman, and wouldn't have given over her fortune had the papacy let the truth of the pedophilia and priestly paternity of illegitimate (not my person opinion) boys.
More details of the released reports will be available next week at The National Catholic Reporter. ncronline.org

Initially, it takes one very small, specific legal maneuver to reveal hidden documents. However, once opened,they will lead to an avalanche of Papal impropriety, financial, and otherwise.

Bottom line: Pope John Paul knew all about Marcial, and so did Ratzinger, and that's why Rats is moving to his cloistered nunnery: The information released friday might possibly land him in jail. Aside from the sexual scandals, this is fraud. Fraud at the top.

Another question then rises: What does the next pope do about it all, now that the job description turns out to be personally dangerous? Who takes on this mess, and who is willing to expose the church to all of this disgrace?

More:
The donor of $60 mill was housed in their facility and they kept her from visiting her sister as she was dying.

They had total control of this woman. That's why the records were unsealed. They used their coercion to get her money.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ri-records-of-disgraced-catholic-order-legion-of-christ-detail-dubious-fundraising-practices/2013/02/15/cbe3ccf4-77d8-11e2-b102-948929030e64_story_1.html

More: This link explains the entire story, and the papal connections to the Legion of Christ

Marcial was running his own harem of young victims who helped him raise money, that the vatican was all too happy to spend. It was this money that made the vatican cover up the abuse. Ratz and John Paul knew what was going on, but liked the money too much to stop it.

Ratzinger has no choice but to cloister himself inside the vatican, away from everyone: Reporters, church leadership, lawyers, police. He's toast, now.

http://americablog.com/2013/02/did-the-pope-resign-to-avoid-facing-a-major-about-to-break-scandal.html

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Isn't this why we have RICO laws? Scuba Feb 2013 #1
One of the reasons Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #3
HAVING laws and ENFORCING them are 2 vastly different things dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #14
St. Malachy said this next Pope is the last Pope AverageMe Feb 2013 #34
Now there's something to pray for.... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #49
Forgive me Aerows Feb 2013 #55
So ... we can't 'bash' the church? Trajan Feb 2013 #2
I'm just trying to keep this post alive, because the details are starting to appear in the media tod lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #4
I saw this more as a post about crime and fraud PatSeg Feb 2013 #16
Much abliged, PatSeg. lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #61
Lindysalsagal, PatSeq, and hlthe2b -- Thank You for keeping on track Hekate Feb 2013 #44
Amen, Hekate. I'm proud that a fellow New Englander is doing just as you say: Getting on with it. lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #62
I for one, want to discuss factually without bringing in personal "baggage" .... hlthe2b Feb 2013 #9
OK OK .... Trajan Feb 2013 #15
Apparently Aerows Feb 2013 #24
Oh .. I get my licks in .... Trajan Feb 2013 #27
I hope they order the church to return the $60 million plus interest back to her estate. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #5
And can you imagine if they did? Everyone else would be there with their hand out lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #7
Thank you for the informative post. Let the rule of law prevail. John1956PA Feb 2013 #6
My pleasure. lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #8
Those who assisted with the charitable transfers may have to explain their actions. John1956PA Feb 2013 #25
Thanks for the detail, John1956PA lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #63
I'm curious... Dan Feb 2013 #64
Lindy and Dan, you raise great points and questions. John1956PA Feb 2013 #75
I'm wondering if Herr Ratzinger is not just an enabler. Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #10
Do you have the least scintilla of evidence to back your foul smear? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #23
Where else can a pederast go to get access to kids, and have powerful friends to protect you alfredo Feb 2013 #30
Penn State rusty fender Feb 2013 #48
We had a pederast teacher in Jr high (middle school). He operated for alfredo Feb 2013 #58
I do most grovellingly apologize for doubting the bona fides Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #50
My husban's Aunt was very devout...went to church every day...was always the highest weekly doner. Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #11
I think you're giving them too much credit. I doubt they could feel anything. lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #12
Why would it land him in jail? shrike Feb 2013 #13
And there is no extradition treaty with the Vatican FarCenter Feb 2013 #20
Exactly nt shrike Feb 2013 #22
Isn't there an American cardinal Beowulf Feb 2013 #36
That would be Cardinal Law, of the Boston diocese shrike Feb 2013 #40
Their Bank is shut down and is another scandal Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #17
Yeah, being your own country gets you a lot. nt LisaLynne Feb 2013 #37
The bank isn't shut down shrike Feb 2013 #41
Did it really bring down the Vatican bank? It may still be operational: freshwest Feb 2013 #45
This does not bring down popes! Coyotl Feb 2013 #18
I agree--it's not as if retirement makes it the same as "He's dead--can't ask HIM any questions!" MADem Feb 2013 #31
The documents in the Mahoney case are equally daming of Ratz and came our 2-3 weeks ago Hamlette Feb 2013 #19
So it IS all about Mee. yankeepants Feb 2013 #21
Ohhhhhhhh, baad. JimDandy Feb 2013 #51
But this church is so bash-worthy. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #26
I wonder if the butler who leaked documents knew about this. snagglepuss Feb 2013 #28
I wouldn't doubt the pope's resignation goes back to all that. JimDandy Feb 2013 #52
Kick & R! hue Feb 2013 #29
Wholely Bejeezus Zambero Feb 2013 #32
American Catholics need to clean house, top to bottom. When done, they need to build alfredo Feb 2013 #33
There are already offshoots Tree-Hugger Feb 2013 #35
The break has to be massive. alfredo Feb 2013 #39
Oh, I totally agree nt Tree-Hugger Feb 2013 #43
In other words, become Episcopalian. Works for me. lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #59
As we say, "All the pageantry, none of the guilt." I was raised in an Episcopal family. alfredo Feb 2013 #65
Sexual repression is not so much an issue. They can marry. glinda Feb 2013 #69
So right. glinda Feb 2013 #68
Though I'm a harsh critic of the church, I know it can alfredo Feb 2013 #71
Doesn't Ratzinger's resignation put him in more hot water? nuxvomica Feb 2013 #38
only if he leaves the Vatican magical thyme Feb 2013 #47
Remember. Protestants beginning at least with Martin Luther JDPriestly Feb 2013 #42
There are plenty of "sins" amongst Protestant denominations & modern mega-churches. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #57
I wouldn't deny it, but in Protestant churches, it is easier JDPriestly Feb 2013 #66
Mega Churches just appear to be money machines for Conservatives. Nothing more. glinda Feb 2013 #70
Tartuffe. Check it out if you don't know this play by Moliere. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #46
SO glad not raised in that church elfin Feb 2013 #53
K&R Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #54
Amazing, just as this documentary was released... hwmnbn Feb 2013 #56
Wow. It appears I hit a nerve. Thanks for all the rec's, everyone! Gotta get this out there. Thanks. lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #60
More on the resignation and the holing up in the vatican arikara Feb 2013 #67
Wow, Arikara. Good find. lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #72
Annett is no longer a minister; was defrocked in the 1990s. shrike Feb 2013 #74
The ad showing up with this thread is Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #73
Antipathy is something which Constantine's false organization has courted for 2 millenia. Dawson Leery Feb 2013 #76
The last time the Catholic Church was this corrupt, KamaAina Feb 2013 #77
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