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Revanchist

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40. If you want to reduce military spending
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 05:51 PM
Feb 2013

Let the military decide what they need to spend money on and not politicians (from both parties) who are more interested in securing projects for their home districts instead of what the military needs.

That and don't punish them for being frugal. I lost track of the number of times we had to buy supplies, test equipment, and just let the jets idle on the runway to burn off jet fuel so they could buy more at the end of the fiscal year. But when you've just come off a deployment and are on a relaxed schedule for a few months while everyone recharges, you don't need as much money. But if you don't spend it they reduce your budget for the next year when your ramping up for deployment or are on deployment and you need the funding. Your punished if you don't spend every last dime or over-spend so you can ask for more to "justify" an increase for the next year.

We have a stupid system that just encourages people to waste funding.

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Or, base it on actual work accomplished and products produced. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #1
Military accomplishment is often in what does NOT take place rather than what does. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #4
How's that worked so far? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #6
I disagree. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #8
Maybe. But, how has having a bloated military stopped wars for us? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #9
Depends on what you mean by "stopped." OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #10
So, how did our "strong military" do in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the rest? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #13
Not the military's fault. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #14
Which can only give one pause in turning over a huge machine to incompetents. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #17
To the best of my understanding, OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #19
If they go to trial. See drone operators and torturers for reference. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #21
Well, Sherman A1 Feb 2013 #16
As I recall, it wasn't the military that stopped the wars. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #20
Not to take this discussion off-track, but......... OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #23
As a pacifist, I don't see war as an answer. Rather, I see it as an avenue to more war. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #28
So what about existing security treaties? OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #37
Yes. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #45
So I guess America's promise, signed on a treaty, wouldn't mean anything after all. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #46
Tsk. Tsk. See treaties with various tribes of Native Americans for precedents. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #47
Still doesn't make it right to break it. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #48
Well, Sherman A1 Feb 2013 #25
And history shows that when a country finds itself involved avebury Feb 2013 #43
Agree something must be done. think Feb 2013 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #3
I find the 50% figure very doubtful. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #5
Do you have figures to dispute my claim?? Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #11
The data just doesn't support the claim. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #12
I have some problems with this Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #22
50% of discretionary spending. hay rick Feb 2013 #49
Let's create a schedule for Peace, the gradual diminuition of defense spending. Coyotl Feb 2013 #7
Isn't that already close to the current situation though? OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #15
$3.2 Trillion was brought in Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #18
Today about 19% of budget goes to Defense tritsofme Feb 2013 #24
Thanks. That's closer to what I thought. n/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #26
How is Social Security part of the budget?? Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #27
Even if it is, it may be just listed there for information's sake, to show how much was spent. N/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #29
It is listed there as part of the budget and the monies brought in by it as revenue Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #30
And if you take out everything but defense it goes up to 100% tritsofme Feb 2013 #31
I am arguing that SS is not part of the budget Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #32
I just don't understand how the way Social Security is treated in the budget is relevant tritsofme Feb 2013 #33
Because you are adding in what is spent on SS into total federal spending Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #35
Well, you started the thread with "tax revenue" in the title. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #36
Defense comes out of the budget, how much of SS comes from the budget?? Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #38
Leaving these semantic arguments behind tritsofme Feb 2013 #39
In this case... dems_rightnow Feb 2013 #41
Social security is self funded and shouldn't be on that chart. It's not part of the general fund. JVS Feb 2013 #34
If you want to reduce military spending Revanchist Feb 2013 #40
I an not really against military spending just a fair comparison with other spending Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #42
What we really need to cut out is wasteful spending. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #44
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