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114. What a searing indictment...."an ugly fact, that Americans, in their rage and fear, reverted to

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:30 PM

Feb 2013

their jingoistic, xenophobic roots, and gladly supported the killing of innocents." Wholeheartedly wish I could refute that statement, but am unable to. After all, we are a society in which 47% cast their votes for der Mittens, notwithstanding his support for the Ryan budget which would have financially bludgeoned countless citizens. My only explanation is society has been bombarded right-wing hate, harangue, lies, and distortions continuously played to large groups eaten up with fervent right-wing fundamental religiosity, pro-lifers, 2nd Amendment zealots, and the like. We live in a society where government has largely long promoted the welfare of large corporations and the most affluent to the detriment of the rest of society, a society which does not provide for universal health care and which ranks at or near the bottom in all quality-of-life ranking factors among industrialized ranking factors. Add a falling standard of living for countless millions, extreme income inequality, and very high rates of incarceration, and what do we get? A right-wing-soused society that is constantly bombarded with right-wing hate by stochastic terrorists who egg on some of the deranged to act out their hate on those hated libruls.

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Why this sudden push to rewrite history about the Iraq war? [View all] MadHound Feb 2013 OP

"DUer's ... wanted to go in anyway because Saddam was evil" Kolesar Feb 2013 #1

Go check it out in the archives, MadHound Feb 2013 #6

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #14

If you disagree, please provide your evidence. Name calling should be beneath Democrats. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #26

Discord is a bad thing? MuseRider Feb 2013 #27

Calling You Out For An Ad Hominen Attack Which is Against DU Rules cantbeserious Feb 2013 #52

"Bush Administrator (sic) sympathizers" are NOT the "American public", far from it. George II Feb 2013 #57

Ahh, Criticism By Word Parsing I See - Go Reread The Original Post cantbeserious Feb 2013 #58

I've read it several times, don't have time to point out each and every fallacy in it. George II Feb 2013 #62

Well Then - We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Feb 2013 #64

Okay, insultings post notwithstanding, here you go: George II Feb 2013 #94

Different Points Of View - That's What Makes A Democracy Go Around cantbeserious Feb 2013 #95

Facts can be a powerful weapon against speculation George II Feb 2013 #99

I Lived Through The Discussion At DU - Those Are My Facts cantbeserious Feb 2013 #100

That's a long period of time for lurking George II Feb 2013 #105

There are many long time lurkers at DU. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #107

My Online Life Has Had Many Reincarnations cantbeserious Feb 2013 #108

Anybody paying close attention could see the signs GoneFishin Feb 2013 #130

Thank you George II Gary 50 Feb 2013 #138

Well, that was incisive. Thanks for sharing. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #77

Please tell me this is an Onion Post DonB Feb 2013 #104

welcome to DU riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #153

Welcome to DU - very well stated and exactly the way it was Tumbulu Feb 2013 #154

Welcome to DU Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #179

I was here then. If there was a contingent of pro-war-w/-Iraq people here... Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #118

We can't access it anymore because that was DU.1 Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #122

People's attitudes were coerced by neocons bjobotts Feb 2013 #150

There are always DUers who line up on the side of wrongheadedness. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #11

Where did I even say that? Stop sticking words in my mouth. MadHound Feb 2013 #16

None of the above. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #20

YOU are the one that needs to prove your assertion. That DU'ers largely supported Iraq fiasco. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #25

Where did he say DU largely supported the war? Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #40

I see no apology or proof from two responders. Festivito Feb 2013 #128

Actually, MH is remembering right. Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author trumad Feb 2013 #2

You are wrong on this, the people were deceived. Many did not support the invasion of Iraq. we can do it Feb 2013 #3

And many that did support the invasion did so because they believed the lies of the bush admin. George II Feb 2013 #60

Bingo! patricia92243 Feb 2013 #78

Exactly. we can do it Feb 2013 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Dash87 Feb 2013 #133

Yeah, As If I'm Going To Shoulder Cheney's Guilt On Anything. Dream On. (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #4

I agree, mostly alarimer Feb 2013 #5

Oh, it wasn't the majority of DU folks, MadHound Feb 2013 #7

And five, there isn't a draft, which means most people wouldn't have to worry about their loved ones raccoon Feb 2013 #137

But America WAS tricked, just like our politicians were tricked. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #8

But gasser85 Feb 2013 #148

Wow, have you forgotten the media complicity, kohodog Feb 2013 #9

US media was complicit. Anyone who looked elsewhere knew better... tuvor Feb 2013 #28

How about GP6971 Feb 2013 #41

I forgot about the duct tape!! kohodog Feb 2013 #73

If I remember right GP6971 Feb 2013 #86

+1. . . .n/t annabanana Feb 2013 #45

Agree it wasn't "Blood Lust of Average American" it was the Drum Beat KoKo Feb 2013 #79

I had so many people tell me I was wrong Smilo Feb 2013 #170

Surely a lot of people supported the invasion... tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #10

I think they gave too much weight to Bill Clinton's analysis that military force was needed blm Feb 2013 #65

Democrats voting for war... Gary 50 Feb 2013 #140

We were willing dupes, but you cannot ignore the duplicity. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #12

many of us were not MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #22

You took my "we" literally. I was referring to the entire country that, on average, supported it. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #24

From what I remember about the time, this OP is unfortunately true........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2013 #13

As I seem to recall jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #15

And unfortunately the new administration (Obama) chose not to look back kohodog Feb 2013 #23

The concept of not looking back The Wizard Feb 2013 #67

You misread me jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #139

Wow. Just.....wow. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #17

Oh please. Many MANY American protested. And many supported war because they were lied to. KittyWampus Feb 2013 #18

It's true that a lot of people did know they were lying. Certainly every member sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #19

I think its clear from Rachels special tonight that most people in congress did not know. stevenleser Feb 2013 #157

Sorry those of us who were there at the time, watching all this, know that sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #173

Senator Graham had special access as a member of the intel committee that other members of stevenleser Feb 2013 #174

No, I am not remembering the 'whole thing in its entirety'. I am remembering sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #175

I know who you were talking about. Bob Graham. I spoke with him several times. stevenleser Feb 2013 #178

It's not attempting to rewrite history, but an attempt to EXPOSE history MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #21

Two thumbs up. N/T icnorth Feb 2013 #56

I agree with you but I do not remember too many who were for the war. MuseRider Feb 2013 #29

It's true that many people were eager to invade Iraq, Arkansas Granny Feb 2013 #30

exactly, when the people who make these calls are broadcasting bold faced lies... pasto76 Feb 2013 #42

This falls squarely on George W. Bush, period. Coyotl Feb 2013 #31

I completely agree... OneMoreDemocrat Feb 2013 #92

There is one bid diff, We the People are not the subjects of war crime laws, our leaders are though! Coyotl Feb 2013 #101

If everyone knew the truth, why was there a need to lie then? FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #32

That was excellent life long demo Feb 2013 #59

Thank you. We should also add the lives and blood of the unborn... FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #124

Thank you. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #93

It's like wearing silver/garlic necklaces 24x7 - in case werewolves & vampires are real... FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #123

Well put. rgbecker Feb 2013 #33

Depends on where you were getting your news. Lil Missy Feb 2013 #34

NBC and CNN were just as complicit Carolina Feb 2013 #180

I completely disagree with you. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #35

I agree with you, Proud2BlibKansan Carolina Feb 2013 #181

That's PARTLY true, but not enough to have made it happen... JHB Feb 2013 #36

I respectfully disagree. Kablooie Feb 2013 #37

Many Dems were even banging the war drums in the Clinton years davidn3600 Feb 2013 #38

Why are you trying to re-write history? jazzimov Feb 2013 #39

I dont think this is an attempt to "rewrite" history as to bring it back to life. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #43

To a much, much smaller extent, the type of thinking leading up to the invasion of Iraq, are RC Feb 2013 #102

Well said. If you dont like the message, attack the messanger. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #103

It's a hoax to suggest that every Dem who supported the Iraq War was hoaxed into it. leveymg Feb 2013 #44

The media is no longer afraid of the GOP. randome Feb 2013 #46

I joined DU in 2002, which was heavily against the war BEFORE invading Iraq Martin Eden Feb 2013 #47

People rationalized, yes, but there's no "re-write" in talking about the lies. DirkGently Feb 2013 #48

I remember having a fight with someone in a diner over this. Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #49

But I knew more than one person who believed Saddam attacked us. JohnnyRingo Feb 2013 #50

Many people didn't think a president would lie so blatantly in the wake of a national tragedy Martin Eden Feb 2013 #75

I got ridiculed, and berated contantly in 91, 98, but 2003 was different tjwash Feb 2013 #51

One might ask if your proposition is correct Vinnie From Indy Feb 2013 #53

You're right. Facts were invonvenient. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #54

It's not sudden, it has been going on since even before the initial invasion. George II Feb 2013 #55

Why did the German civilians claim they didn't know what was going on before WW2? JayhawkSD Feb 2013 #61

^this^ Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2013 #97

yes this right wing hatred of evil criminals has made its way into democratic circles liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #63

BFEE Lied? Stop the presses. Oh, wait. They own the presses. Octafish Feb 2013 #66

B.S. mrchips Feb 2013 #68

K&R You are absolutely right. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #69

I think it goes back to a choice of how you think about people in general bhikkhu Feb 2013 #70

Most on DU did not support the war in Iraq abelenkpe Feb 2013 #71

You are wrong, the citizens wanted to go to Afghanistan to get Al Queda larkrake Feb 2013 #72

Exactly. Attacking Afghanistan for 9/11 was quite supported but we were tricked into Iraq uppityperson Feb 2013 #89

Um, I think you are confused lobodons Feb 2013 #74

If there's any push to "rewrite history", it's to actually get it right this time. gtar100 Feb 2013 #76

Have you forgotten Judith Miller? Celebration Feb 2013 #80

Think "tricked" and "uninformed" are NOT mutually exclusive. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #81

That is completely wrong. dkf Feb 2013 #82

The important thing to me is that I got it right. usafvet65 Feb 2013 #83

The entry into Iraq war was stage-managed long before GW Bush took office. His ascension enabled it. Ford_Prefect Feb 2013 #84

It was a mob mentality that prevailed at that time, and politicians led the mob. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #85

Until they sanitize the Iraq war, how are they gonna sell war on Iran. OregonBlue Feb 2013 #88

Oh that thing with Iraq? That was just a misunderstanding. GoneFishin Feb 2013 #132

You are wrong. A few did support it but over all, no. And wrong, we were tricked. Afghanistan was uppityperson Feb 2013 #90

I read the Los Angeles Times and listened to the news on JDPriestly Feb 2013 #91

This push is like receiving a loving letter... Tikki Feb 2013 #96

Oh, for chrissakes! We all who were here ten years ago, know what happened. Cleita Feb 2013 #98

That whole era in US history is full of awful, disturbing behavior on the part of politicians, WCGreen Feb 2013 #109

Freedom, my left foot. Cleita Feb 2013 #111

That's what you took from that... WCGreen Feb 2013 #112

I read your whole post. Cleita Feb 2013 #113

Touche! Cleita Carolina Feb 2013 #182

"he who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past" Snarkoleptic Feb 2013 #106

Remember the Third Way Democrats? You know those guys who wanted war with Iraq? Catherina Feb 2013 #110

Excellent GoneFishin Feb 2013 #131

Good view but "the people" were still duped bjobotts Feb 2013 #152

Catherina, thank you for your Carolina Feb 2013 #184

What a searing indictment...."an ugly fact, that Americans, in their rage and fear, reverted to indepat Feb 2013 #114

That's the way I remember it. LWolf Feb 2013 #115

I think you really exposed your bias and revisionism here. Only Bush admin deserves blame. stevenleser Feb 2013 #116

Life is not a comic book cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #129

Exactly. So why is the OP trying to make it one and revise history? nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #155

the neocons took us to war. it didn't matter what the people wanted. spanone Feb 2013 #117

You are so wrong about this. Jack Sprat Feb 2013 #119

not exactly.. DCBob Feb 2013 #120

If you recall, the media shut off coverage of the protests. I remember when CNN abruptly stopped Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #121

Yes, they would say thousands protested when it was 80,000+ Tumbulu Feb 2013 #156

I was first on DU back then and it made me awfully upset Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #160

and so now we even have an OP claiming we drank the koolaid.... Tumbulu Feb 2013 #161

I was on DU in early 2003 and I remember nothing like that Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #162

thanks for posting this Tumbulu Feb 2013 #163

I certainly don't remember anyone in favor of it Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #171

Geez, I don't know Summer Hathaway Feb 2013 #125

I will not carry the baggage of the dumbass Americans who supported that war bluestateguy Feb 2013 #126

Americans are a bloodthirsty bunch. There's a reason drones poll high. joshcryer Feb 2013 #127

The invasion of Iraq was widely popular at first. Dash87 Feb 2013 #134

Most Americans could not tell the difference between Saddam and Osama. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #135

In response to the OP; greiner3 Feb 2013 #136

Perhaps they just want to get it out of the way before the next war. n/t hughee99 Feb 2013 #141

I don't remember any rage against Iraq and I don't remember anyone being tricked either. Ganja Ninja Feb 2013 #142

Yeh...from the comfort of their couch. RagAss Feb 2013 #166

I agree the correct information was out there, but I don�t agree that most people were aware of it. deurbano Feb 2013 #143

Respectfully Phlem Feb 2013 #144

The majority did NOT want war over diplomacy LiberalLovinLug Feb 2013 #145

Without question, the Bush Administration manipulated the public into war . . . Erda Feb 2013 #146

Many were duped.Even Colin Powell was duped...lied to, truth hidden from, unaware of the extent of judesedit Feb 2013 #147

Colin Powell was not duped Carolina Feb 2013 #185

Right, it was no trick it was flat out lies, high crimes. Rex Feb 2013 #149

I believed Colin Powell, because I thought he was the one grown-up in the room. Ian David Feb 2013 #151

Great post Sidaroo Feb 2013 #158

May 2003 A Gallup poll made on behalf of CNN and USA Today concluded that 79% of Americans thought totodeinhere Feb 2013 #159

Public opinion John2 Feb 2013 #164

Yes, the lies told by the media to the people, were effective. But those in sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #176

I was wondering the same thing Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2013 #165

Some, yes, like all of the GOP and half of everybody else. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #167

Sorry; I disagree. snot Feb 2013 #168

Killing of innocents! cartach Feb 2013 #169

I agree largely with what you said with 1 exception Carolina Feb 2013 #177

I agree loyalsister Feb 2013 #183

I'm afraid I disagree MadHound Nitram Feb 2013 #186

We enabled this when we failed to prosecute any for setting up the Viet Nam war. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2013 #187