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41. Enough with the respect the uniform/Powell/fill in the blank crap

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:22 PM

Feb 2013

I spent OIF3 (that's all of 2005 in NY Times speak or a couple of Friedman units) in Abu Ghraib prison with MP's, artillery units and others. I signed the line, I did the time and I damned sure wasn't going to fight my deployment knowing that another would be in my place. Nonetheless I, and several with my unit, was against the war from the get-go. As time went on, others stopped calling me that commie-kissin' librul (it was all fine and if you weren't in a unit you won't understand) and started long discussions on why I thought that George, Dick, Condi, Donnie, and Powell plus others were war criminals. By the end of our deployment, many were disgusted by the bullshit they'd been fed - the Christian riteousness of the Army, the Fox News crap on TV, and the keeping America safe crap. At least 75% of the detainees we held were innocent (actual number is higher) and yet we continued to keep them in harm's way in violation of the Geneva Conventions. Letters to Hillary and Chuck Schumer were to no avail. And the toll on Iraq and the people cannot be described properly.

Too many officers make their way up the chain by kissing butt and burying info from the public. Such is the case with CP. Was he duped? Probably. Should he have known better considering the idiocy he was surrounded by? Absofuckinlutely! Give him a pass - Hell no. Generals Shalikashvili, Clark and Zinni all smelled a rat. The first two were shown the door and Wes was already retired. Anybody remember the late Colonel Hackworth? He used to rail on Fox news that this war was BS. As for Mr. Magoo from AZ, anybody who's been to war and still wants more is crazy beyond a doubt. I think we should bomb Iran with X-boxes, I-pads, and flat screen TV's. Better to make friends than enemies.

Please don't bother with the "thank yous" and "sorry" crap because I really really don't give a shit at this point.

Retired Sergeant and
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Dick Cheney should be tried as a war criminal [View all] ProSense Feb 2013 OP

Along with Rummy, Condi and Shrub. n/t Cleita Feb 2013 #1

Yes! nt frogmarch Feb 2013 #2

+10000000000 Champion Jack Feb 2013 #5

And Wolfowitz, and Tenet, and Powell, and every military & intelligence official in that regime. baldguy Feb 2013 #11

Hubris makes the case that Powell was not at fault. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #16

Then he can prove that at his trial. baldguy Feb 2013 #19

No thank you. You are crossing the line between prosecution and witch hunt. stevenleser Feb 2013 #21

The model should be Nuremberg, not O.J. baldguy Feb 2013 #25

O.J. was indicted. Powell shouldn't be. stevenleser Feb 2013 #28

I agree that Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi should be punished. IMO they are evil. But those rhett o rick Feb 2013 #36

Daschle was one of two Senators who received anthrax in the mail HoneychildMooseMoss Feb 2013 #37

Yes, what is your point? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #39

There is a difference between intentionally committing a crime and suspecting something might be stevenleser Feb 2013 #38

You can if you can prove that they knew the intel was faked. savannah43 Feb 2013 #59

Except all the evidence points the other way. stevenleser Feb 2013 #71

I have never been satisfied that we were told the truth JDPriestly Feb 2013 #99

That is what a grand jury is for. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #66

Yes. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #98

He knew that the information fed him had not been properly JDPriestly Feb 2013 #97

Yup, thats what trials are for. russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #40

No, it's not. And with exculpatory evidence like the faked intel given to him, no prosecutor will stevenleser Feb 2013 #43

Then he will be found not guilty. Or, he can turn "States Evidence" russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #45

It doesnt work that way. No prosecutor will even bother with the evidence as it is. nt stevenleser Feb 2013 #48

I don't think we can know that just from watching this film JDPriestly Feb 2013 #100

I'm not getting it just from watching the film, or from books. stevenleser Feb 2013 #104

Isn't the burden on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #82

Exactly. And No prosecutor would try with all the exculpatory evidence out there. stevenleser Feb 2013 #103

Enough with the respect the uniform/Powell/fill in the blank crap shadowmayor Feb 2013 #41

My opinion has nothing to do with 'respect the uniform'. It has to do with the evidence stevenleser Feb 2013 #47

OK shadowmayor Feb 2013 #55

That part of the timeline wasn't clear stevenleser Feb 2013 #56

Colin Powell was always a 'good soldier' Fedaykin Feb 2013 #58

So then you mean "lack of evidence." Bonobo Feb 2013 #67

Perhaps, but there's always this to start proceedings with... Fedaykin Feb 2013 #105

All I can say is +a million! tex-wyo-dem Feb 2013 #49

Roger that The Wizard Feb 2013 #87

Too many officers make their way up the chain by kissing butt and burying info from the public. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #101

I agree on all of them, including Powell magellan Feb 2013 #34

Yes. There are no statutes of limitations on war crimes, genocide or crimes against humanity. Electric Monk Feb 2013 #3

Downing Street memos, anyone? tex-wyo-dem Feb 2013 #53

Should he be? GP6971 Feb 2013 #4

These four, all of them, and others... NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #6

I'm actually surprised that a PTSD'd former soldier hasn't gone after any of the Bush cabal. onehandle Feb 2013 #7

Yes and for treason as well. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #8

Also russert and powell. yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2013 #9

Is there a better way to say "duh!"? Is it "no shit"? TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #10

There are so many culpable, it would be the trial of the century n/t Blaukraut Feb 2013 #12

Cheney is a war criminal. gademocrat7 Feb 2013 #13

Yes indeed. However, war criminal sounds too mild. Marie Marie Feb 2013 #20

ditto that NYtoBush-Drop Dead Feb 2013 #14

and the rest of the cabal - Rice, Rummy, Bush et al on point Feb 2013 #15

I've always said that... MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #17

Hear... Hear... WillyT Feb 2013 #18

The Statute of Limitations for Murder is Never... triplepoint Feb 2013 #22

Great post, thanks triplepoint. russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #42

No. No. No. We need to look forward, not backwards. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #23

We are looking "forward" to a trail. n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #24

Isn't looking forward Obama's DOJ solution to addressing war crimes? Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #26

What's your solution? ProSense Feb 2013 #29

I'd prefer prosecution but it will never happen. We've got medical marijuana providers as Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #31

I'm not into conflating issues, and ProSense Feb 2013 #33

I'll gladly swap out the word "victory" for "success" Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #63

Above the law. damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #27

Waterboard them to find the truth colbertforpresident Feb 2013 #30

As it is, neither Cheney nor Bush nor Rumsfeld can leave the country Gman Feb 2013 #32

If things were right here magellan Feb 2013 #35

I offer myself as their personal jailer. russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #44

Bush, Cheney and Tony Blair were found guilty of war crimes LeftInTX Feb 2013 #52

Bush went out of the country last summer--to Canada, savannah43 Feb 2013 #62

so who exactly is going prosecute him? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2013 #46

For those that want to widen the circle of war criminals, what about the RC Feb 2013 #50

The reason an administration 'looks forward' CrispyQ Feb 2013 #72

You said it, and most won't ever admit that is why. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #81

Also important to remember.. Permanut Feb 2013 #51

Who do you suggest should do the honors? MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #54

Have been saying it for years -- oldandhappy Feb 2013 #57

I'm against the death penalty Heathen57 Feb 2013 #60

. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #61

And the reason why he is not? AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #64

This is about trying Cheney not impeaching Bush, and while I do fault Pelosi MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #68

Pelosi obstructed the impeachment of Cheney after Obama was elected. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #73

tell that to the starter of this thread MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #75

Why? Dick Cheney should be tried as a war criminal. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #79

I'm watching the repeat now, wasn't home earlier Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #65

The entire bush 43 MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #69

What exactly would he be charged with? Like, really technically speaking. n/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #70

AGREED! n/t Dpm12 Feb 2013 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author santamargarita Feb 2013 #76

How about people in the rest of the world? n/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #80

How is this new news? RoccoR5955 Feb 2013 #77

Woulda, shoulda, coulda! Stonepounder Feb 2013 #78

I thought that all along OLDMDDEM Feb 2013 #83

Yes. we can do it Feb 2013 #84

But the stay behinds at the DOJ will not allow this... midnight Feb 2013 #85

true, they also outrank Holder and the POTUS, a shame really Dragonfli Feb 2013 #88

It really has gummed up the works.. midnight Feb 2013 #91

too bad there is no one with authority above them. Dragonfli Feb 2013 #92

Now is not the time to point fingers. Hotler Feb 2013 #86

The bush CRIMINAL gang penndragon69 Feb 2013 #89

K & R Scurrilous Feb 2013 #90

Along with at least half the staff from Faux News Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #93

A moral statement by petition libdude Feb 2013 #94

Along with Wolfowitz and a few others. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #95

You're just a hater. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #96

K&R # 138 David Zephyr Feb 2013 #102

If you got your wish, Obama would then be in danger of the same thing. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #106

Public hanging and his body left to rot on the rope. n/t Hotler Feb 2013 #107