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kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
16. I'm not concerned that it will overturn Roe v Wade
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:32 AM
Feb 2013

(since you brought me into it).

My PERSONAL feelings on abortion have nothing to do with what I feel should be legislated. Personally - I would never have an abortion at 20 weeks unless there was something terribly, horribly wrong. Enforcing my PERSONAL feelings on other women is where I draw the line. When making laws, legislating reproductive choice of any kind is wrong. I cannot presume to know every reason why an abortion occurs at or after 20 weeks, but IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS. Telling women that they can have one in this case but not that case because of your PERSONAL feelings on the matter reduces these women to nothing more than chattel.

I don't have any problem with disagreement on when life begins or feeling like it's a baby at 20 weeks or anything else you'd like to drag up to show that I'm "like the gun lobby" (which I find pretty damned insulting, btw). I have severe disagreement with you that it's your business to sit in judgement of these women or to make laws that come up with "exceptions"... when those "exceptions" can NEVER take into account all of the possible scenarios.

These are adult women and they have the right to make their own decisions about their own medical care. YOU have no right to be involved in a stranger's medical care, pro-life or not.

Do you feel that you should be involved in my pregnancy? I have an ultrasound scheduled for tomorrow. Maybe you'd like to tell me just how I'm doing and whether I'm doing it right, since you appear to know so much about pregnancy - I sure can't seem to trust my perinatalogist or my OB-GYN to counsel me on how I'm doing. Do you think that, if they haven't grown enough (for example), someone should step in and take over? My husband and I are obviously too stupid to make our own decisions, with the advice of my TEAM of doctors, about our sons.

If you DON'T think that you should be involved in my pregnancy - why are your feelings about involvement any different for other women?

(by the way, I guess since you "come by these beliefs honestly from a Catholic family", you are also against contraception. If you are not against contraception, YOU also draw the line on how much you should be involved in a woman's medical care. If you are against contraception, it appears that you also must admit that "well-meaning and thoughtful" people disagree with you on where we draw the line.)

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This is nuts. The structures that interpret nerve impulses as pain Warpy Feb 2013 #1
I suspect that it's rather they don't care that women feel pain. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Camballo Feb 2013 #3
Suggest reading some science instead of propaganda REP Feb 2013 #4
Indeed Camballo Feb 2013 #7
"Should be enough time" REP Feb 2013 #9
Ok Camballo Feb 2013 #10
Sorry Camballo, I feel your pain. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #57
So true Camballo Feb 2013 #60
I like the dispenser idea. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #62
See my other response to you kdmorris Feb 2013 #69
I read it. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #76
I agree with a significant portion of what you said. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #13
Thanks Camballo Feb 2013 #22
No, I'm with you. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #59
That's hardly fair kdmorris Feb 2013 #68
First of all, congratulations on your pregnancy. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #75
True, it is a very contentious debate kdmorris Feb 2013 #77
The ballot box is where it counts Camballo Feb 2013 #78
I am aware of all these things kdmorris Feb 2013 #80
All's well that ends well, I hope Camballo Feb 2013 #84
20 weeks isn't enough. At my 18 week Ilsa Feb 2013 #15
I'm not concerned that it will overturn Roe v Wade kdmorris Feb 2013 #16
Not me Camballo Feb 2013 #21
You made it personal when you compared me to the gun lobby kdmorris Feb 2013 #24
OK Camballo Feb 2013 #32
Tay-Sachs was my big eye opener in regards to later term abortions Marrah_G Feb 2013 #61
Tay-Sachs is a horribly cruel thing REP Feb 2013 #63
We found out the French Canadian angle years later Marrah_G Feb 2013 #67
Sounds pretty unreasonable to me kdmorris Feb 2013 #5
So sympathetic Camballo Feb 2013 #6
No, I don't agree REP Feb 2013 #8
Me too Camballo Feb 2013 #11
Legislators CAN help themselves. Legislators who can not think and act should not be in office. uppityperson Feb 2013 #39
Bullshit DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #64
Thanks it's great to be here Camballo Feb 2013 #65
That's more like it! DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #71
Let me be very clear Camballo Feb 2013 #72
Your personal convictions are your own. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #73
Misunderestinated in OK Camballo Feb 2013 #74
Ps Camballo Feb 2013 #66
I think that rather than writing stupid laws kdmorris Feb 2013 #14
I agree with that Camballo Feb 2013 #17
Originally, you said that you find this bill reasonable kdmorris Feb 2013 #18
Not inconsistent Camballo Feb 2013 #25
Your first comment - your "attempt to compromise" includes kdmorris Feb 2013 #26
That was unfair Camballo Feb 2013 #29
It isn't an issue of a woman not being able to decide gollygee Feb 2013 #27
See above post Camballo Feb 2013 #30
I commend you gollygee Feb 2013 #31
Thank you so much. n/t Camballo Feb 2013 #34
Since you replied to a post explaining the radical difference between 20 and 25 weeks, are you playi uppityperson Feb 2013 #40
I don't know anymore Camballo Feb 2013 #44
Part of a discussion is being challenged esp on inconsistencies uppityperson Feb 2013 #45
Stats! Camballo Feb 2013 #47
There is way too much focus on a tiny minority of abortions and an attempt to confuse people into uppityperson Feb 2013 #48
The RW, crazy, anti-choice loons like to convince people Mariana Feb 2013 #51
Why do we need a law about this? gollygee Feb 2013 #19
Hopefully the 1st scenario Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #20
Well, that's obvious kdmorris Feb 2013 #23
The fetus in my friend's body died at 26 weeks. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #28
Glad your friend is ok Camballo Feb 2013 #33
Most reasonable legislation allows for these kinds of emergencies proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #36
Thank you Camballo Feb 2013 #43
"I only hope women who don't have medical issues don't wait his long"? Did you read that post? uppityperson Feb 2013 #41
No Camballo Feb 2013 #42
I think you are operating under the misconception that late term abortions are because women just uppityperson Feb 2013 #46
Medical emergencies happen unexpectedly and often threaten the mother's life. yardwork Feb 2013 #50
The problem is that some people just can not think beyond themselves. nt DURHAM D Feb 2013 #52
My own experience informs me as well Camballo Feb 2013 #54
I'm very surprised by your posts in this thread, then. yardwork Feb 2013 #55
I don't know why Camballo Feb 2013 #56
Yikes OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #82
It's been such a good lesson Camballo Feb 2013 #83
I'm glad OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #85
Thanks again. Camballo Feb 2013 #86
I had a baby die inutero at 22 weeks and had to have an emergency abortion. backtoblue Feb 2013 #35
I heard a woman tell a horrific story proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #37
that's terrible! backtoblue Feb 2013 #38
There should be a ban on stupidity after 2 days. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #12
99% of abortions are before 20 weeks anyway... LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #49
You know I wish someone would make a movie Politicalboi Feb 2013 #53
Well, then, I hope they increase funding Ilsa Feb 2013 #58
Regarding Tay-Sachs... B2G Feb 2013 #70
If it conflicts with Roe v. Wade treestar Feb 2013 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author kdmorris Feb 2013 #81
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