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26. Wow!!! When I Read That Quote By Rove - It Makes The Hair On The Back Of My Neck Stand Out....

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:48 PM

Feb 2013

Just re-read this and consider how sinister this is:

"Guys like you are in--what we call--'the reality-based community'. You believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." "That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

And Rove is - in some circles - respected? He is considered a spokesperson in the Repug party?

As an aside:

This makes me think of the office that BushCo wanted to set up. I recall something about an office that provided disinformation or was to dissiminate disinformation. Can anyone expand on this if you recall what I'm thinking about.

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I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all] CoffeeCat Feb 2013 OP

I can agree Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #1

Seriously, imagine this... SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #162

You wanna talk 9/11? The neocons admitted they needed a "Pearl Harbor-type event" to invade Iraq. chimpymustgo Feb 2013 #165

If you really study how they did it, all they have to do is nothing. It doesn't even have to be on leveymg Feb 2013 #177

I hear what you're saying jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #2

It's possible to do both. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #8

the problem with the media jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #36

You get no argument from me. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #48

'A democrat gets caught in a sex scandal, he resigns'...uh, clinton? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #103

depends on your value of sex scandal jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #110

They will "come back like fungus." AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #34

Vichy Dems jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #41

Yes. Veni, Vidi, Vichy. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #67

I'll bastardize the Latin jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #70

The fungus analogy disndat Feb 2013 #174

When a well-known influential 3rd-Wayer participated in the promotion of Republican principles AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #175

"...his henchmen were able xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #90

There is not ONE SINGLE new thing in 'Hubris' cali Feb 2013 #3

Respectfully, I didn't take that away from the OP at all. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #9

Very good cali.... Tippy Feb 2013 #19

The OP didn't say that nobody spoke out. Calm down. yardwork Feb 2013 #63

You have to read between the lines. zeemike Feb 2013 #83

Wow, you are dead wrong in your interpretation of what I wrote... CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #97

You got that right! JuniperLea Feb 2013 #115

There is plenty of truth in the OP BlueStreak Feb 2013 #133

Very good point and astute observation. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #4

Air America nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #10

Ah, forgot about that. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #24

A LIFE saver for my sanity in those days! nt patrice Feb 2013 #44

Very true treestar Feb 2013 #5

It's not like Keith Olbermann never talked about this stuff. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #6

Rachel did not have a show in 2002 or 2003. karynnj Feb 2013 #31

Corporate conspiracies mean nothing if people stand up for the truth. randome Feb 2013 #7

Correct-aside from Keith and Air America - there was no public outcry of the outrage KaryninMiami Feb 2013 #15

*Except for the millions of people who took to the streets. nt IdaBriggs Feb 2013 #20

yep.... dhill926 Feb 2013 #25

All day long on CSpan... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #117

Yes- I was one of them but the media barely covered it. KaryninMiami Feb 2013 #30

Put 10 teabaggers on the corner and see what coverage they get. 6000eliot Feb 2013 #157

+ 10 million (Number of people world wide who protested) n/t truedelphi Feb 2013 #118

keith & air america didn't exist when the war started. there was basically no one in the msm HiPointDem Feb 2013 #153

Well, there was Phil Donahue, maddiemom Feb 2013 #166

Google "Operation Mockingbird." They say that it has been discontinued. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #11

Maybe the name has, but not the operation itself. nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #58

Thank You for this... haikugal Feb 2013 #73

K&R forestpath Feb 2013 #12

The reason humanity seems like a mindless zombie consuming life is Coyotl Feb 2013 #13

Charlie Pierce just made a GREAT point about "Hubris" on Steph Miller's show this A.M. bullwinkle428 Feb 2013 #14

MSNBC was complicit. grasswire Feb 2013 #35

and they still are Mnpaul Feb 2013 #109

you said it way better than I did. nt Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #16

k/r Solly Mack Feb 2013 #17

It's true. They create their own reality. Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #18

Excellent post! City Lights Feb 2013 #21

That quote should be in front of the public every day. It's importance wiggs Feb 2013 #22

Thanks for this... TheProgressive Feb 2013 #23

Wow!!! When I Read That Quote By Rove - It Makes The Hair On The Back Of My Neck Stand Out.... global1 Feb 2013 #26

Can't expand, but have a recollection of it... JuniperLea Feb 2013 #116

The MSM is controlled by 6 multi-national corporations watoos Feb 2013 #27

Creating reality MuseRider Feb 2013 #28

The key was owning the media. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #29

In 2001, Ann Coulter said.... grasswire Feb 2013 #32

Agreed. And an important part of the implementation of the whole thing has been the recognition patrice Feb 2013 #33

This is important haikugal Feb 2013 #77

I'm not sure they did. There were some people around OWS who were close to others who patrice Feb 2013 #98

I still don't get the practical definition TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #151

General usage: intolerant views or practices; strong demogogic approach; obedience to strong leader patrice Feb 2013 #154

Okay, I see where you are coming from. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #185

It aired now in response to McCain's questioning of Hagel. Marr Feb 2013 #37

I thought of that quote as well in regard to "Hubris" deutsey Feb 2013 #38

Maybe I'm wrong MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #39

CoffeeCat may be referring to the fact that ALL of the necessary information was publicly patrice Feb 2013 #50

I was trying to make the point... CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #96

D'oh! MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #99

Well, I understand... CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #139

well done CoffeeCat barbtries Feb 2013 #40

A current issue is climate. freedom fighter jh Feb 2013 #42

So shouldn't this mean that aggressive behavior against "history's actors" is pretty much necessary? AZ Progressive Feb 2013 #93

What's necessary, I think, is to see that the truth prevails. freedom fighter jh Feb 2013 #143

Excellent post Auggie Feb 2013 #43

That quote by Rove chilled me to the bone. Zorra Feb 2013 #45

I think another thing that is affecting our ability to respond is how we compartmentalize our ISSUES patrice Feb 2013 #46

I think it has has much to do with who now owns NBC... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #47

that is a very important observation about GE--good point! renate Feb 2013 #54

I'm old enough to remember Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #59

Yes, exactly...And the energy companies are some of the worst culprits... CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #94

If you consider Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #107

If we developed fusion energy the oil era would end Occulus Feb 2013 #121

Are you talking cold fusion? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #122

Nope. Star in a bottle. Occulus Feb 2013 #124

Thanks... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #134

Very well said. The reality is so chilling (nt) CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #129

Some lessons scar you for life.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #132

I would dare to say... CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #140

Excellent observation as to the twisted psyches Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #142

Comcast bought out the remainder of GE's interest in NBC on 2-12-2013.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #64

I wasn't certain the deal had approval.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #69

Dangerous onpatrol98 Feb 2013 #131

Of course it is all about profit... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #137

Phil Donahue tried to expose it and MSNBC FIRED HIM because of it. progressoid Feb 2013 #49

Yes, Chris "we're all Neocons now" Matthews and his fawning over Bush's Mission Accomplished moment maddiemom Feb 2013 #168

what we have now and hopefully they won't take away is riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #51

You knew they were all lying when Phil Donague tried to tell the truth and they southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #52

Exactly! n/t truedelphi Feb 2013 #119

+ 10000 raouldukelives Feb 2013 #53

I wrote this yesterday... Javaman Feb 2013 #55

Excellent post.. haikugal Feb 2013 #87

Karma will not be kind to the Rove Man I tinks? benld74 Feb 2013 #56

ICAM. So where do you think Obama fits in? To what degree is he complicit? MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #57

There are a couple of possibilities. The CT version is that he made a deal with the devil rhett o rick Feb 2013 #147

Maybe it's a combination of the two. If it's the latter, I think his legacy is already tarnished MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #172

That is the million dollar question... CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #167

You make some good points. Bottom line for me is I have seen no evidence Obama is even fighting it. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #171

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #176

No one could have said it better. OLDMDDEM Feb 2013 #60

This is true and it's why Cheney caused 9/11 to happen as well. yardwork Feb 2013 #61

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We knew what we were headed for by the caliber of the man...Where was the careful vetting by the... Tikki Feb 2013 #65

At least they are out of power at the moment Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #66

Yes, and I love Obama's choice of Hagel... CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #105

Truth. Remember the neocons were already in El Salvador Taverner Feb 2013 #68

Too late to do anything about it. The only justice will come when these people burn in hell! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2013 #71

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It was based on this book, published in 2007 BainsBane Feb 2013 #74

Just a point of fact: Rachael's show didn't start until 2008, Keith's in 2003, Cooper Sept 2003. Fla Dem Feb 2013 #75

Right. It prevents NOTHING. Whoever controls the anthrax controls the world. nt valerief Feb 2013 #76

Takeover warning 12zelda12 Feb 2013 #78

Also when Cheney was still with Haliburton EC Feb 2013 #79

For most, war is hell. For Dick, war is business. Blue Owl Feb 2013 #80

Just cleaning up the quote a bit: Strat0 Feb 2013 #81

Thanks for the full quote. Its always good to get to the source. Welcome to DU! nt riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #88

well, let's not forget the how and why that's possible stupidicus Feb 2013 #82

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Forget Ayn Rand.It's always seemed that Rove and his ilk read Huxley and Welles maddiemom Feb 2013 #173

Media control has weakened, thankfully. Control of politics and media matters. Boycott $$$ Media. Coyotl Feb 2013 #85

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I propose they devise their future realities from a prison. jinx1 Feb 2013 #86

Phil Donahue spoke out at MSNBC. They fired him because of it. Zen Democrat Feb 2013 #89

K&R. Too little, too late. You've certainly nailed that head, but make no mistake, it is still Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #91

THIS is the REAL reality AZ Progressive Feb 2013 #92

Except it did air back then, in real time Recursion Feb 2013 #95

and meanwhile new crimes are being committed that we are not allowed to talk about, are called HiPointDem Feb 2013 #101

some things don't change... ensemble Feb 2013 #150

This has been a HUGE laundry_queen Feb 2013 #178

+1. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #181

MSNBC Led The Cheers For That War colsohlibgal Feb 2013 #102

Very well said malaise Feb 2013 #104

And now history has decided unanimously to label Rove as a terrorist Rex Feb 2013 #106

Kick for the sad, unvarnished truth n/t Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #108

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well said. and welcome to DU! NRaleighLiberal Feb 2013 #123

Republicans like to rename their crimes, felix_numinous Feb 2013 #112

So when are we the people going to get really pissed and do something about those fuckers??????? Hotler Feb 2013 #113

Sadly, you are right. But there may be some people who have finally become Squinch Feb 2013 #114

Except Real Reality Has Real Consequences Skraxx Feb 2013 #120

She didn't have a show back then George II Feb 2013 #125

Air America JuniperLea Feb 2013 #126

Not that it really matters; she got her first show in mid-2005, long after the run-up and invasion. George II Feb 2013 #144

That's 1 year after the invasion. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2013 #145

The point of the OP is not so much about Rachel but about why a program like HUBRIS Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #128

K&R Jamastiene Feb 2013 #127

Accurate. davidthegnome Feb 2013 #130

I believe the Suskind quote was much earlier. Fuddnik Feb 2013 #135

The military bases used to invade Afghanistan were also in place before 9-11 PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #136

I agree with what you say, but when I post a thread Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #138

You're not wrong on this. Don't feel alone. I'd K & R such a thread. ancianita Feb 2013 #184

K n R One of the best summaries I've seen here in a while. There is actually... mojowork_n Feb 2013 #141

Here, here. Well said. Hopefully you are not preaching to the choir and some of the lurkers MichaelSoE Feb 2013 #146

The glass is half full? xtraxritical Feb 2013 #148

You're not being cynical, you're just being reality-based. rocktivity Feb 2013 #149

some people are hearing this for the first time Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2013 #152

You forgot to mention the election Chico Man Feb 2013 #155

We, also, can act. n/t Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #156

'Hubris Isn't the Half of It' Fedaykin Feb 2013 #158

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Why would... sendero Feb 2013 #161

This is the big frustration... CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #170

A wingnut I work with... sendero Feb 2013 #180

It Madmiddle Feb 2013 #163

Learning from history libdude Feb 2013 #164

"It doesn't have to stay this way" ProSense Feb 2013 #169

Letting it air now allows MSNBC to make the claim the media are ''liberal.'' Octafish Feb 2013 #179

+1 HiPointDem Feb 2013 #182

The traitors are so arrogant, they know if they break the law, they won't be punished. Octafish Feb 2013 #183

k & r! Well said. nt wildbilln864 Feb 2013 #186