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In reply to the discussion: I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all]Javaman
(62,510 posts)55. I wrote this yesterday...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022394222
Madhound posted this very good piece regarding who believed and didn't believe the lies told to us regarding the Iraq war...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022389078
And Madhound asks the million dollar question with the title, "Why this sudden push to rewrite history about the Iraq war?"
With a GOP bereft of new ideas, concepts or direction, they have to reshape their past and mold it into something useful for their future if they think they are going to survive.
All sorts of talking heads from the right wing are starting to dip their toe into an image overhaul. While the right wing is famous for using blunt force in their wars, they are long term planners when wanting that war.
We are seeing the first testings of the water for their future mission. What is that mission? Take your pick of countries. The obvious would be Iran, but there is a long list of nations that have natural resources that they the republicans wish to exploit for their own monetary gains at the expense of "collateral damage" aka 3rd world people.
If anyone is paying attention to the Hegal hearings, you will see McCain going out of his way to try and pin down Hegal for a yes or no response regarding the surge and it's usefulness. This line of questioning isn't about the surge, it's about rewriting history, the over arching perception of the Iraqi war and McCain's roll in that decision to invade. Think of it as his legacy and suddenly things get weirder.
Unless there is another 9/11 type incident (heaven help us) for the right wing to exploit, they will have to use the tactic of trying to change the publics perception.
If 5 to 10 years from now, we are presented with another situation that resembles Iraq, take a step back and count the sometimes immeasurable gains and chess like movements by the right wing. Sometimes the most innocuous move is something that is planned with it's effect only be felt years later. The minutia of this could get so obtuse as reading tea leaves. And that is what the right wing depends on, the seemingly boring is actually the devil in the detail.
I'm reminded of two things george w. bush* said regarding "money trumping peace" and "catapulting the propaganda". When you combine those two statements you reveal a terrifying scenario, one which we experienced in their rush to the Iraqi war.
However, it appears as opportunity for such a rush is not at hand, so they begin the slow creep. Which to me, is far worse. The GOP's job is to change the publics perception and depend on poor memories by the lazy masses to convince them that whatever lies in our future is a gigantic security threat to the nation.
We here at DU can state that we will remember, but we are a small minority. We paid attention, we posted links, we tried to spread the word, but alas, we still got "shock and awe" at the hand of those in power. We were looked upon a kooks and conspiracy nuts when we protested and demanded proof of WMD's or evidence of Al Qeada in Iraq. We were laughed at as being "unAmerican".
Here we are, the very slow, almost imperceptible creep toward that same right wing goal yet again. It's like looking at a clock without a second hand, it doesn't seem to move, but look away then back and lo and behold the minute hand moved.
And before you know it, we will find ourselves in that same fix again and wonder, "how did we get here?"
Here is now.
Madhound posted this very good piece regarding who believed and didn't believe the lies told to us regarding the Iraq war...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022389078
And Madhound asks the million dollar question with the title, "Why this sudden push to rewrite history about the Iraq war?"
With a GOP bereft of new ideas, concepts or direction, they have to reshape their past and mold it into something useful for their future if they think they are going to survive.
All sorts of talking heads from the right wing are starting to dip their toe into an image overhaul. While the right wing is famous for using blunt force in their wars, they are long term planners when wanting that war.
We are seeing the first testings of the water for their future mission. What is that mission? Take your pick of countries. The obvious would be Iran, but there is a long list of nations that have natural resources that they the republicans wish to exploit for their own monetary gains at the expense of "collateral damage" aka 3rd world people.
If anyone is paying attention to the Hegal hearings, you will see McCain going out of his way to try and pin down Hegal for a yes or no response regarding the surge and it's usefulness. This line of questioning isn't about the surge, it's about rewriting history, the over arching perception of the Iraqi war and McCain's roll in that decision to invade. Think of it as his legacy and suddenly things get weirder.
Unless there is another 9/11 type incident (heaven help us) for the right wing to exploit, they will have to use the tactic of trying to change the publics perception.
If 5 to 10 years from now, we are presented with another situation that resembles Iraq, take a step back and count the sometimes immeasurable gains and chess like movements by the right wing. Sometimes the most innocuous move is something that is planned with it's effect only be felt years later. The minutia of this could get so obtuse as reading tea leaves. And that is what the right wing depends on, the seemingly boring is actually the devil in the detail.
I'm reminded of two things george w. bush* said regarding "money trumping peace" and "catapulting the propaganda". When you combine those two statements you reveal a terrifying scenario, one which we experienced in their rush to the Iraqi war.
However, it appears as opportunity for such a rush is not at hand, so they begin the slow creep. Which to me, is far worse. The GOP's job is to change the publics perception and depend on poor memories by the lazy masses to convince them that whatever lies in our future is a gigantic security threat to the nation.
We here at DU can state that we will remember, but we are a small minority. We paid attention, we posted links, we tried to spread the word, but alas, we still got "shock and awe" at the hand of those in power. We were looked upon a kooks and conspiracy nuts when we protested and demanded proof of WMD's or evidence of Al Qeada in Iraq. We were laughed at as being "unAmerican".
Here we are, the very slow, almost imperceptible creep toward that same right wing goal yet again. It's like looking at a clock without a second hand, it doesn't seem to move, but look away then back and lo and behold the minute hand moved.
And before you know it, we will find ourselves in that same fix again and wonder, "how did we get here?"
Here is now.
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I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all]
CoffeeCat
Feb 2013
OP
You wanna talk 9/11? The neocons admitted they needed a "Pearl Harbor-type event" to invade Iraq.
chimpymustgo
Feb 2013
#165
If you really study how they did it, all they have to do is nothing. It doesn't even have to be on
leveymg
Feb 2013
#177
When a well-known influential 3rd-Wayer participated in the promotion of Republican principles
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#175
Correct-aside from Keith and Air America - there was no public outcry of the outrage
KaryninMiami
Feb 2013
#15
keith & air america didn't exist when the war started. there was basically no one in the msm
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#153
Google "Operation Mockingbird." They say that it has been discontinued. n/t
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#11
Charlie Pierce just made a GREAT point about "Hubris" on Steph Miller's show this A.M.
bullwinkle428
Feb 2013
#14
Wow!!! When I Read That Quote By Rove - It Makes The Hair On The Back Of My Neck Stand Out....
global1
Feb 2013
#26
Agreed. And an important part of the implementation of the whole thing has been the recognition
patrice
Feb 2013
#33
I'm not sure they did. There were some people around OWS who were close to others who
patrice
Feb 2013
#98
General usage: intolerant views or practices; strong demogogic approach; obedience to strong leader
patrice
Feb 2013
#154
CoffeeCat may be referring to the fact that ALL of the necessary information was publicly
patrice
Feb 2013
#50
So shouldn't this mean that aggressive behavior against "history's actors" is pretty much necessary?
AZ Progressive
Feb 2013
#93
I think another thing that is affecting our ability to respond is how we compartmentalize our ISSUES
patrice
Feb 2013
#46
Yes, Chris "we're all Neocons now" Matthews and his fawning over Bush's Mission Accomplished moment
maddiemom
Feb 2013
#168
You knew they were all lying when Phil Donague tried to tell the truth and they
southernyankeebelle
Feb 2013
#52
ICAM. So where do you think Obama fits in? To what degree is he complicit?
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#57
There are a couple of possibilities. The CT version is that he made a deal with the devil
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#147
Maybe it's a combination of the two. If it's the latter, I think his legacy is already tarnished
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#172
You make some good points. Bottom line for me is I have seen no evidence Obama is even fighting it.
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#171
We knew what we were headed for by the caliber of the man...Where was the careful vetting by the...
Tikki
Feb 2013
#65
Too late to do anything about it. The only justice will come when these people burn in hell!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2013
#71
Just a point of fact: Rachael's show didn't start until 2008, Keith's in 2003, Cooper Sept 2003.
Fla Dem
Feb 2013
#75
Right. It prevents NOTHING. Whoever controls the anthrax controls the world. nt
valerief
Feb 2013
#76
Thanks for the full quote. Its always good to get to the source. Welcome to DU! nt
riderinthestorm
Feb 2013
#88
Forget Ayn Rand.It's always seemed that Rove and his ilk read Huxley and Welles
maddiemom
Feb 2013
#173
Media control has weakened, thankfully. Control of politics and media matters. Boycott $$$ Media.
Coyotl
Feb 2013
#85
K&R. Too little, too late. You've certainly nailed that head, but make no mistake, it is still
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2013
#91
and meanwhile new crimes are being committed that we are not allowed to talk about, are called
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#101
So when are we the people going to get really pissed and do something about those fuckers???????
Hotler
Feb 2013
#113
Not that it really matters; she got her first show in mid-2005, long after the run-up and invasion.
George II
Feb 2013
#144
The point of the OP is not so much about Rachel but about why a program like HUBRIS
Uncle Joe
Feb 2013
#128
K n R One of the best summaries I've seen here in a while. There is actually...
mojowork_n
Feb 2013
#141
Here, here. Well said. Hopefully you are not preaching to the choir and some of the lurkers
MichaelSoE
Feb 2013
#146
The traitors are so arrogant, they know if they break the law, they won't be punished.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#183